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Stud 8...Too agro or just right?


gergery

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Joined 12/2007

Part of Mixed game. $10/$20 Limit Stud Hi/Lo $2 Ante - 6 players -

Seat 4 is a strong mixed game reg and we've played a lot together and occasionally chat. He is a 25/14 type, pretty tight/solid, respects me and can fold, will have solid hand if he is raising/betting or staying in when there is action.

Seat 6 is a mixed game reg, is a 32/24 type with background in big bet not mixed. He is VERY agro, will bet lite and call lite. His read on me is likely standard TAG from what he's seen so far.

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3rd Street: (1.2 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 6 Diamond____Seat 1 folds
Hero: 2 Spade A Heart 4 Club___Hero brings in for $3___Hero raises
Seat 3: xx xx 4 Spade____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx T Club____Seat 4 completes____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx T Diamond____Seat 5 folds
Seat 6: xx xx 5 Spade____Seat 6 calls____Seat 6 calls

4th Street: (7.2 SB) (3 players)
Hero: 2 Spade A Heart 4 Club J Club___Hero bets___Hero calls
Seat 4: xx xx T Club J Diamond____Seat 4 raises
Seat 6: xx xx 5 Spade K Heart____Seat 6 checks____Seat 6 calls

I bet to try to get a raise from Seat 4 and knock out Seat 6, and maybe bluff clubs later. Too agro?


5th Street: (6.6 BB) (3 players)
Hero: 2 Spade A Heart 4 Club J Club A Diamond___Hero bets
Seat 4: xx xx T Club J Diamond 2 Club____Seat 4 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 5 Spade K Heart 8 Heart____Seat 6 calls


6th Street: (9.6 BB) (3 players)
Hero: 2 Spade A Heart 4 Club J Club A Diamond 6 Spade___Hero bets___Hero 3-bets___Hero calls
Seat 4: xx xx T Club J Diamond 2 Club Q Club____Seat 4 calls____Seat 4 calls____Seat 4 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 5 Spade K Heart 8 Heart 3 Heart____Seat 6 raises____Seat 6 caps!


I 3bet to try and iso to improve chances either way. Too agro?

7th Street: (21.6 BB) (3 players)
Hero: 2 Spade A Heart 4 Club J Club A Diamond 6 Spade A Club___Hero bets___Hero calls
Seat 4: xx xx T Club J Diamond 2 Club Q Club xx____Seat 4 calls____Seat 4 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 5 Spade K Heart 8 Heart 3 Heart xx____Seat 6 raises

Bet for value...should it be chk-call?

Final Pot: 27.6 BB
Hero 2 Spade A Heart 4 Club J Club A Diamond 6 Spade A Club

Posted over 1 year ago

AxeGrinder

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Joined 12/2008

3rd street: I would just call here. You definately have a playable hand but your not pushing anyone out or pushing an equity edge. You have a 5 and 6 dead and your hand is badugi. Just call and see what transpires.

4th street: You brick and seat 6 brick while your chat friend who definitely has a high hand is enjoying his equity. If you push seat 6 out most of the dead equity goes to seat 4. BTW, if you actually had clubs you should be 3 betting this hand as you would have the lions share of equity.

ProPokerTools Stud Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 6Diamond 4Spade TDiamond
*c *c | 4cJc 45.84% (213,328 scoops, 276,271 wins hi, 96 ties hi, 123,400 wins lo, 347 ties lo)
TT-KK,Bc Bc| Tc Jd 30.11% (131,375 scoops, 229,892 wins hi, 70 ties hi, 0 wins lo, 0 ties lo)
ZZ | 5s Kh 24.04% (76,359 scoops, 93,735 wins hi, 38 ties hi, 133,331 wins lo, 347 ties lo)

So you would be telling an inconsistent story in a bloated pot. Not worth it. C/C 4th and hope to improve.

5th street: is okay. Your probably best for high and have backdoor low probabilies.

6th street: I would rather c/f than have this street capped. What range are you putting seat 6 on when he raises you? If he is insane, he has a naked low and for some reason doesn't believe that you have a better low. You said he is a mixed game reg, so I would tend to believe that he has both a flush and a low. That and the fact that he is capping!! If that's the case, then we are in horrible shape and should be trying to salvage the low part as cheaply as possible. 6th street is beyond aggro, it's spewy. We may only be alive for the low half, so raising doesn't increase your equity, even if seat 4 drops (which he probably at least has a pair, and combo draw to stay in facing all this action). Seat 6 may be aggro, bet and call light but doesn't mean that he is raising light or capping light. He will show up with what he is repping almost always, aggro or not.

ProPokerTools Stud Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 6Diamond 4Spade TDiamond
2s Ah | 4cJcAd 6s 18.00% (0 scoops, 0 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 215,993 wins lo, 0 ties lo)
TT-KK,Bc Bc| Tc Jd 2c Qc 16.78% (35,331 scoops, 166,011 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 0 wins lo, 0 ties lo)
Zh Zh | 5s Kh 8h 3h 65.22% (278,720 scoops, 433,989 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 258,782 wins lo, 0 ties lo)

7th street: There is no value in betting as it's much more probable having the 3rd best high hand than it is having a hand that will get half. Your getting a huge price for half but I am not sure if you even get half around the 12 to 1 you need. Trip A's can't beat flushes which seat 6 will have the vast majority of the time. Betting is spew. Even c/c is probably wrong but if I had played 6th street like that, I guess I could make the crying call. He shows up with a low flush too often that in the long run despite getting tremendous odds and the absolute value of your hand, it's a losing call imo.

Posted over 1 year ago




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