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The DC converter is not processing HM HH for some reason. I had to use pokerhand.org again. This is FL.

I have a very LAG image at this table. The opener has a fairly standard 35-40% range for opening and narrowish range for a cap. The CC range is super wide and he is spazzy and seems to be poor. I expect him to be over reacting to me the way bad spazzy players who are losing and facing lots of aggression usually do.

So question is should I jam flop or look to CR some good turns trapping the field?

I am assuming I most definitely CRing this turn?

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5639997

I just wanted to start off by saying this hand shows why it is very tough to play OOP with a one-way hand in a multiway FLO8 pot. We end up with what could be a decent board for our hand, but really are just guessing because we have to act first. So we are going to make bad calldowns and bad folds often.

Unless I think I can get it HU, I just call PF to keep the pot small. First, you are OOP. Next, you have an awesome PLO hand, but a so-so FLO8 hand(although it looks pretty). You are looking really good for high, but the low is the problem. Try to think of a board with a low on it that you are going to scoop. Its going to be a fairly specific board. Make the hand something like W A A W and I'm very happy to pop it PF because we have some low possibilities now and I'll be happy on alot more flops.

I'm honestly not all that thrilled with the flop. We have an overpair, OESD and nut flush draw, but its on a paired board. We could be drawing dead for our high or many of our outs could be tainted and there is no way to know. Add on top of that the fact that if any low card hits half the pot is gone. I like a check-call on the flop, but would probably fold to a bet and RR.

I gave both of them weak hands in this sim just to show what happens if one of them has a 5.
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
666 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 755
6sasad8d 30.41% (85 scoops, 254 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 63 wins lo, 6 ties lo)
2s4d7ckc 10.36% (25 scoops, 72 wins hi, 13 ties hi, 33 wins lo, 3 ties lo)
ah4c5htd 59.23% (261 scoops, 327 wins hi, 13 ties hi, 351 wins lo, 9 ties lo)

This is what happens if a low card comes out on the turn.
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
36 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 7553
6sasad8d 16.67% (0 scoops, 10 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 2 wins lo, 0 ties lo)
2s4d7ckc 6.25% (0 scoops, 2 wins hi, 3 ties hi, 1 wins lo, 0 ties lo)
ah4c5htd 77.08% (19 scoops, 21 wins hi, 3 ties hi, 33 wins lo, 0 ties lo)

Granted if no one has a 5 we look good on the flop.
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
666 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 755
6sasad8d 53.68% (200 scoops, 503 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 63 wins lo, 6 ties lo)
2s4d7ckc 10.92% (25 scoops, 86 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 33 wins lo, 3 ties lo)
ah4cthtd 35.40% (73 scoops, 77 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 351 wins lo, 9 ties lo)

Look at what happens again if a low card hits on the turn though.
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
36 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 7553
6sasad8d 38.89% (2 scoops, 26 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 2 wins lo, 0 ties lo)
2s4d7ckc 8.33% (0 scoops, 5 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 1 wins lo, 0 ties lo)
ah4cthtd 52.78% (5 scoops, 5 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 33 wins lo, 0 ties lo)

And I gave one of them a completely deadbeat hand in all of these sims.

The turn only makes me happy because its not a low card.

Here's if one of them has a 5.
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
36 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 755q
6sasad8d 26.39% (7 scoops, 10 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 2 wins lo, 0 ties lo)
2s4d7ckc 6.94% (2 scoops, 2 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 1 wins lo, 0 ties lo)
ah4c5htd 66.67% (22 scoops, 24 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 13 wins lo, 0 ties lo)

Here's without them having a 5.
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
36 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 755q
6sasad8d 69.44% (18 scoops, 32 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 2 wins lo, 0 ties lo)
2s4d7ckc 6.94% (2 scoops, 2 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 1 wins lo, 0 ties lo)
ah4cthtd 23.61% (2 scoops, 2 wins hi, 0 ties hi, 13 wins lo, 0 ties lo)

As you can see, it really just depends on whether or not someone has a 5 and we are just guessing. I would definitely not CR this turn as you are really way ahead or way behind. Its probably not going to be pretty if we get played back at.

So we have had a bet and 2 calls on the flop then a bet and call on the turn. I really have to weight it towards atleast one of them having a 5 or better. We are now on the big bet streets, still OOP, still guessing, and still praying that a low card doesn't hit on the river. For these reasons, I check-fold on the turn.

I'd like to hear others' analysis of this hand.

I'd def 3bet pre, you've got great equity and isolating makes the hand easier to play oop, BB coming in too is fine also.

The flop is a pretty good fit for you given all the different flops that could come down, with NFD+OESD and some weak low pot'l. Pick a few hands and graph them vs yours on that flop and your equity has jumped significantly from what it was preflop.

Throw all the sims together and I'll guess you have ~28% equity-ish at worst vs a whole range and possibly better. Once you see a bet and raise on the flop, you easily have correct odds to call in this huge pot.

Easy call on the turn.

River is tricky. You need 8.3% equity, and probably don't have that at these stakes but its close. At higher stakes I call for sure, and I probably do here as well

I'd def 3bet pre, you've got great equity and isolating makes the hand easier to play oop, BB coming in too is fine also.

The flop is a pretty good fit for you given all the different flops that could come down, with NFD+OESD and some weak low pot'l. Pick a few hands and graph them vs yours on that flop and your equity has jumped significantly from what it was preflop.

Throw all the sims together and I'll guess you have ~28% equity-ish at worst vs a whole range and possibly better. Once you see a bet and raise on the flop, you easily have correct odds to call in this huge pot.

Easy call on the turn.

River is tricky. You need 8.3% equity, and probably don't have that at these stakes but its close. At higher stakes I call for sure, and I probably do here as well

Sweet. BT folded I called the turn and called an offsuit Q river. I thought about raising the offsuit Q turn once the BT folded, but figured that was probably too thin. What sort of situation would you look for to raise the turn here?

I actually ran some graphs/equities on this already, but am not super confident in my o/8 assumptions, which is why I posted.

Throw all the sims together and I'll guess you have ~28% equity-ish at worst vs a whole range and possibly better.

Wow, doing all those separate sims really threw me off. I'm not sure what I was thinking. I should have just used their ranges in one sim to start with. I agree with your analysis once I went back and used ranges instead of trying to guess whether they would have a 5 or not. Thanks for straightening me out.

I would like to hear how you prefer to put in the ranges in equity tools for O8. Are you usually using like WWBB, 20%, or other ways?

Sweet. BT folded I called the turn and called an offsuit Q river. I thought about raising the offsuit Q turn once the BT folded, but figured that was probably too thin. What sort of situation would you look for to raise the turn here?

I actually ran some graphs/equities on this already, but am not super confident in my o/8 assumptions, which is why I posted.

Raising the Q river would be pretty bad: 5x,77 never ever fold, bluffs/missed lows & SD's are a wash, so you're hoping he has KK-type hand, which is much less common given the play.

I'm not sure I like raising the turn much except for an Ace hitting.

I would like to hear how you prefer to put in the ranges in equity tools for O8. Are you usually using like WWBB, 20%, or other ways?

Depends, I just try to come up with decent representation. One thing I try to do is bitch-rig it to adjust for how often a hand will be played. In this sim for example, I plugged 77LL, since 77 has to have decent other cards to be played, rather than 77**.

If a LAG is raising from the Button, SB folds and I'm in BB, I check flop and he cbets which he does with 90% of his range, I can just use top 33% of hands or whatever.