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FoxwoodsFiend

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Hey all, I'm starting up a new program of group coaching: if you want to pay a discounted rate for my coaching and work with fellow poker players in a group environment, this is just for you. The following is cross-posted from my blog:

Recently, Krantz and I have been discussing the idea of doing group coaching; he’s had a fair amount of success with it and some other DC coaches have experimented with the concept, and everybody seems to like it. I’ve been coaching a lot lately and I’ve come to realize that a lot of the points I make or concepts I discuss keep coming up with each of my students. It seems that most winning regs have similar playing styles and leaks and that I cover the same ground over and over; so it seems that the benefits of coaching are scalable. People can learn by discussing poker even if they’re not the ones actually playing; given that there are a lot of people out there who may not be able to afford $650/hour for my coaching, I figure if I could provide coaching to 3 or 4 people at a time, charge them all a more affordable rate, and still ensure that they’re all benefiting from the coaching as much as if they had individualized sessions, then it would be a win/win scenario for everybody involved.

So, I’m going to start offering group coaching. The program would have the following features:
1) You and 3 other poker players would form a group that I work with for 2 hours every week. In between meetings, we would all have a group Skype chat open; any time I or a member of your group is grinding (or waiting for action) and you want to pick that person’s brain, you can feel free
2) The sessions would vary week-to-week, but the goal would be to have a program of study to make sure that people are constantly working on new aspects of their game. One week we would do a group sweat session where one of us plays and I give feedback and moderate a discussion of the play. Another week we would look at a recorded session that somebody played earlier on and breakdown the person’s play. Another week we would all bring hand histories we wanted to discuss to the meeting and I would moderate a real-time Dear FoxwoodsFiend-style hand history analysis. Eventually we’ll have classes on 3-betting and 4-betting, how to play in 3bet pots, and other common problems in poker that people may feel uncomfortable with

I think that, even though I’m charging less, the instruction per student will be even better than through individualized coaching; even if we’re not discussing how you play every session, every concept discussed and new trick learned is something you can incorporate into your game. And being able to learn from multiple fellow poker players and discussing issues you may not have thought of that your fellow students bring up can only help your poker game. I really do think learning poker will be a lot easier in a group setting and I’m very excited to start working on this. If you’re interested, email me at foxwoodsfiend@gmail.com, or PM me on 2plus2 or DeucesCracked (FoxwoodsFiend). And in case my 5 months off for law school have led you to forget how sick I am at poker, here’s some graphs of my results the last two years (keep in mind I exercised practically no game control and played way more world-class opponents than fish over the last year):

My stats last year: http://img175.imageshack.us/i/lastyear.png/

My graph since January 2008: http://img222.imageshack.us/i/graphsince08.png/

Posted over 3 years ago

phoinix

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Crackmonkey

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Is there a specific range of stakes that you're targeting for your students? I assume you want a group of players that are all playing about the same stakes.

Posted over 3 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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Is there a specific range of stakes that you're targeting for your students? I assume you want a group of players that are all playing about the same stakes.




I consider 2/4 and 3/6 to be similar enough and 5/10 and 10/20 to be similar enough that players within those levels are functionally the same. 25/50 players may be more advanced than 10/20 players, but oftentimes that isn't even the case. So all else equal I'd prefer keep people in groups with people who play the same stakes, but I don't think it's a huge deal (although of course I would never lump a 25/50 reg in with a 2/4 reg)

Posted over 3 years ago

H. Huu

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Did you mention the total cost of the programme for a single participant?

hh

Posted over 3 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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Did you mention the total cost of the programme for a single participant?

hh



I don't know of a "total" cost because I think that there's a minimum amount of sessions I would want people to commit to just because they need to make some sort of commitment to a group (I'd have them pay for a few sessions up front and if they decide to leave redistribute that money to the other members of the group as a refund for not getting as much out of the sessions). As for a maximum, if the group's still working and still thinks they're getting their money's worth, I'm not going to arbitrarily cap the amount of sessions they can do

Posted over 3 years ago

#1ThunderFan

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What will the per session cost be for the group be? I assume you are charging a group cost and that cost is divided between 3-4 people depending on how many there are?

Posted over 3 years ago

#1ThunderFan

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Also, do we need to be at 400nl+ or will 100nl and 200nl players work as well?

Posted over 3 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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Also, do we need to be at 400nl+ or will 100nl and 200nl players work as well?



100 and 200 nl players will work as well; I've gotten a fair amount of responses from players playing those stakes, so I would group you all together

Posted over 3 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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What will the per session cost be for the group be? I assume you are charging a group cost and that cost is divided between 3-4 people depending on how many there are?



It would be $450/hour

Posted over 3 years ago

terryfan

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What will the per session cost be for the group be? I assume you are charging a group cost and that cost is divided between 3-4 people depending on how many there are?




I believe the 450/hr is per person, not per group. totally worthy imo. gl with those who signs up.

Posted over 3 years ago

#1ThunderFan

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It would be $450/hour



So is this per person like terry said or per group?

Posted over 3 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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I believe the 450/hr is per person, not per group. totally worthy imo. gl with those who signs up.



yeah, this is right

Posted over 3 years ago

Cbass

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yeah, this is right



so w/ a group of 4, the total being paid is $1800 per hour.?!

yup, I'd say F law school.

WOW! if only I could turn back time... and I were smart... talented... and generally good at poker.

good for you.

Posted about 3 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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so w/ a group of 4, the total being paid is $1800 per hour.?!

yup, I'd say F law school.

WOW! if only I could turn back time... and I were smart... talented... and generally good at poker.

good for you.



sick thing is I make more than that playing poker when i get action Smile

thanks for the props though

Posted about 3 years ago




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