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You would give this supposed review a positive response?!

He starts out with that he has his doubts about coaching. Then why is he getting coaching in the first place? Then that Soepgroente's rate is a lot of money to him and his bankroll. Then why did he choose to get SG as a coach? SG is busy with WCOOP. Anyone should appreciate that. SG even makes an effort to schedule him in. Yet OP moans about a sign up bonus and loosing money. In reality, how much can SG teach OP in such a short period of time anyway?

Like I said. Attitude of OP towards poker is fishy and neither DC's or SG's reputation should be tarnished by it, in my opinion.

You would give this supposed review a positive response?!

He starts out with that he has his doubts about coaching. Then why is he getting coaching in the first place? Then that Soepgroente's rate is a lot of money to him and his bankroll. Then why did he choose to get SG as a coach? SG is busy with WCOOP. Anyone should appreciate that. SG even makes an effort to schedule him in. Yet OP moans about a sign up bonus and loosing money. In reality, how much can SG teach OP in such a short period of time anyway?

Like I said. Attitude of OP towards poker is fishy and neither DC's or SG's reputation should be tarnished by it, in my opinion.

yeahh, his reasons seem fishy....BUT if he made an apointment and paid "a bunch" of money already, all his reasons for moaning are OK. Would you go to a store to get stuff for scrambled eggs, order 6 eggs and are happy when the cashier tells you that the eggs will probably be delivered ifthe weather gets all sunny and chickens are ready to make a bunch of love to finally bust out your eggs after a while?
DC is cool and so is SG, i guess (no clue), but a thread like this is made for moaning and worshipping, I hope!

To be fair, there was some miscommunication which was more unfortunate than anyone's fault imo.

Reviews should not necessarily be positive, that'd kinda defeat the purpose/integrity of them.

You would give this supposed review a positive response?!

He starts out with that he has his doubts about coaching. Then why is he getting coaching in the first place? Then that Soepgroente's rate is a lot of money to him and his bankroll. Then why did he choose to get SG as a coach? SG is busy with WCOOP. Anyone should appreciate that. SG even makes an effort to schedule him in. Yet OP moans about a sign up bonus and loosing money. In reality, how much can SG teach OP in such a short period of time anyway?

Like I said. Attitude of OP towards poker is fishy and neither DC's or SG's reputation should be tarnished by it, in my opinion.

I'm not saying the poster approached this in the right manner. He sounds like someone who isn't experienced in poker or in getting coached. But if he said all of those things about his bankroll and having doubts about coaching but then gave a positive review, I doubt you would have commented the way you did.

So the essence of why you commented is because his review was negative. I just don't think negative reviews should be jumped on for any reason. People can read his review and make up their minds for themselves on the merits of it, but people responding negatively will just make others less reluctant to post negative reviews because of the fear that it will result in arguing and flaming.

its called the "Review your DC Coach" thread.. people can post whatever opinions they like, thats the whole point

That's why you should contact the coach and schedule the session first, and only then pay. Then if the coach doesn't show up, he's at fault. If someone gives me money out of nowhere for a coaching session when I'm extremely busy, it's not my problem. I'd refund though.

Sorry, I thought the whole point of the thread was of someone to provide a review / feedback on someone's coaching - not to be posting publicly about an issue that can be easily dealt with in private. As far as I could tell, he hasn't had a minute of coaching of SG so I'm flabbergasted that on the basis of not being able to have a session scheduled, OP proceeds with "would not recommend SG, coaching, or the site". This kind of attitude just blows my fuses and I feel inclined to say something about such a ridiculous post.

Clearly not saying that someone should not be posting a negative experience after he has had coaching from SG. But what are the chances of that anyway?

Update: SG has apologized and was extremely happy to refund me. I also would like to say that I think it's very big of him to post in this thread defending my right to give a bad review.

There's a few issues I think need clearing up here.

I don't think my approach was 'fishy' and given that this is a community based upon a helping one another, to just steam in with such an accusation without asking any questions I'd suggest goes against the entire ethos of the site.
It's a common theme on these forums that if you want to improve then a coach is the best way to do so. I'm a consistently winning Live player, but a consistently losing online player. I want to be a winning online player so contacted DC about coaching.

I chose SG because after messaging the DC coaching section, he was recommended by them for what I was after. They then made contact with him, told me he was available and I make a payment to them. Only then do I get to contact him. I think it's a good approach, personally.

My doubts about coaching are simply to do with having good and bad teachers. I've had bad teachers - my english teacher at school was the most obvious alchoholic even to a 12-year old. The main difference being I've never paid someone $100 per hour before. It didn't mean I wasn't prepared and eager to immerse myself in finding the leaks in my game and to attempt to get everything I could from the experience. I was hoping that it would be such a great thing for my game that I would be having a regular session for years to come.

The grinding a sign-up bonus thing again came from these very forums. I read that it's a good thing to do when you start coaching as it helps focus you on to putting a grind in and helps you find situations that you've been discussing. Seemed to make sense to me. But given I'm a consistently losing player, I would not have signed up for a bonus had I not had a coach in place.

As to how much I expected to learn - well I believed that one two-hour lesson per week was achievable. Given that there are entire video series here that take you from 2nl through to mid-stakes in 8 hours, I would hope to at least improve by 3-4ptbb over eight hours of lessons at my current stakes.



Having said all that, the main issue is the simple fact that I paid for a service that was not forth coming. If you pay someone up front for anything - to fix your roof, to dryclean your shirt, anything - and you have only minimal for a month, you'd raise a complaint.
Not only that, but I sent $200 to a stranger on the internet. If I said that sentence to anyone else outside these forums I'd get them laughing in my face with a 'You numpty, good luck seeing that money again'.
Now I'm not suggesting nor did I think for one second that SG would run off with my money. But it uses up a lot of good faith when the initial contact is extremely minimal.

That indeed seems to be a mistake on DCs side (not the coach though, unless he gave wrong info about his availability to DC).

Online is very different from live as the average player tends to have much less fundamental leaks such as limping and calling big raises too wide. It's very easy to exploit these mistakes live, which can cause you to be a winner with very limited knowledge. The winning live style won't hold ground online though because the mistakes you exploit are generally not being made there. To hold your own at online you have to focus on the fundamentals, which are learned from videos about as easily as from a coach, so personally I'd recommend against hiring a coach and just sticking to watching videos for $25/month which is relatively almost free. Coaching is more something for when you already have all the fundamentals down and the videos have less to offer you as you know most things in them already (generally people run into a wall around NL50-NL200 at which point it's good to invest in a coach).

Another big thing (well, it's actually a result of the same thing) is that live stakes don't translate directly to online stakes. Live 1/2 is often the lowest, but skillwise it compares to 5c/10c or so on the internet. 1/2 online is tons harder than live 1/2, so if you're used to live and want to start winning online, start at micro stakes, being 5c/10c (or even lower). I don't know what stakes you're playing online but it's very common for live players to play too high for their skill level which causes them to loose.

Threads13 is a good coach. He helped me a lot with my game and he is really good at explaining things. He was worth the money.

I just wanted to say Im taking my second run with threads13 as a coach. Had him a couple of years ago when I first started now again after returning since BF. He is extremely professional and breaks things down so everyone can understand. A ton of value for the $. Hire him +ev

slowlane123 is an awesome coach. Recommend him to all.

i paid for coaching over 6 mths ago to a DC coach through 2+2 and still have not yet received my hand history review and as of my last email i sent asking for a refund i still have not received a reply about wether it is going to be done or not for quite some time

i can post all the emails and PM sent back and forth ....

i just wanted some coaching
but 6mths after paying for it i just want my money back

at this stage ill refrain from naming who it was but they know me

Hey Man,

We can clear this up. I've PM'd you - lmk who it is and I'll see what I can do.