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5, slowlane is FR

Im starting with WalkofLife when his group session fills up, that way i will get 4 lessons from him and be able to get a good impression and give a fair review

yeah thats cool, i play 6max and HU as well, and im glad you will be getting more than one session, as thats how the standard coaching program usually works. so i think what you are doing now is better than what you described in your OP.

why not tubasteve or linkwood, josh?
Great idea btw, looking forward for the vids, and reviews

I will record the session using camtasia, and post the session on members videos thread for others to see and make their own reviews.

Unless you've expressly gotten the approval of the coach to post the session in advance, I don't think you should be doing this. Some coaches won't have a problem with it but you should post in advance that you're recording the session and intend on sharing it with others before you do it.

Rob

Unless you've expressly gotten the approval of the coach to post the session in advance, I don't think you should be doing this. Some coaches won't have a problem with it but you should post in advance that you're recording the session and intend on sharing it with others before you do it.

Rob

yeah if a coach doesnt want other DC members to see how he coaches, thats fine by me, its totally up to their disgression

yeah if a coach doesnt want other DC members to see how he coaches, thats fine by me, its totally up to their disgression

You got to remember it's not just "how he coaches" as in performance, but also many coaches have tricks of the trade that they've developed and as coaches are asking for financial restitution for, which would be lost if their coaching was given away in a video in the member section.

This is not to say I don't fully support the review of every coach on your list, in fact it's brilliant and I wish more students would try different coaches before they settle on a long term relationship, but the video portion should be at the coaches discretion.

**Not the opinion of DC, just my personal belief.

-Rusty

I can def see the points that Rob and Rusty point out, but it should also be in the coaches interest to let people see how awesome they are, it's a good way to advertise them selves, and I mean, it's kinda like when they make a vid of a members review.

You got to remember it's not just "how he coaches" as in performance, but also many coaches have tricks of the trade that they've developed and as coaches are asking for financial restitution for, which would be lost if their coaching was given away in a video in the member section.

This is not to say I don't fully support the review of every coach on your list, in fact it's brilliant and I wish more students would try different coaches before they settle on a long term relationship, but the video portion should be at the coaches discretion.

**Not the opinion of DC, just my personal belief.

-Rusty

i think that any student paying has the right to record for there own benefit to go back over, but i really dislike the idea of sharing a coaching video with people. unless it was made as a "demo" kinda video to give people a taste. and honestly i think the coach would hold back if they know this is going to be done. like you said rusty coaches dont wanna give learning away for free, thats why they are a professional. its business. there is a reason why windows 7 isnt open source to anyone for free ( none cracked clearly). people got to make a living.

its not like posting a video of a coaching session will be giving away information that ppl would have had to pay for.

i was under the impression that most of the benefit of coaching comes from the coach spotting, analyzing, and working to correct leaks/flaws in thought processes that are individual to the student. the leaks that the coaches spot wont apply to everyone, so its not at all like everyone who watches the video of the coaching session is getting a free coaching session. the information in a video of a coaching session for one student may not be useful at all to someone who watches it, but what is useful is that they get to see the coaches approach to teaching.

i find it sort of difficult to believe that posting a video of a coaching session would do a coach's business harm by revealing tricks to the trade that any student who watches can apply. Either most tricks to the trade have been presented in videos before and what they are revealing is nothing secret or individual to them, or coaches are holding back information when they make videos (which is not what ppl are paying a subscription for).

its not like posting a video of a coaching session will be giving away information that ppl would have had to pay for.
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recording something where they pay to get the intellectual property that the coach is selling and then say putting it on you tube or the public forums here IS giving away information people should be paying for. its like if you where and artist and your record company produces a song then decides to give it away for free. yah they payed you a small amount to record the song, but they screwed you in the longrun.

like unless it is for promotions, there is no impetus for a coach to allow this.

recording something where they pay to get the intellectual property that the coach is selling and then say putting it on you tube or the public forums here IS giving away information people should be paying for. its like if you where and artist and your record company produces a song then decides to give it away for free. yah they payed you a small amount to record the song, but they screwed you in the longrun.

did you read my whole post that explained why i made the statement that you quoted?

if you have, then please present your arguments against my justification for my assertion, instead of only addressing the assertion.

if i would look for a coach and I see him coaching someone else and the coach is doing an awesome job, I guess i would not hesitate and try to hire him/her as soon aspossible. As AGTJ said everyone is different and everone has their own special leaks. But anyway of course every coach should have the right not wanting to be recorded, think we all agree with this.
cheers

I'd be surprised if a single coach would be up for doing this. For a coach to coach effectively, he definitely needs multiple sessions. He needs to get to know the students game and get familiar with the way the student thinks in order to make the most effective changes. A single coaching session from me would not give a good overview of my coaching program. My programs are also tailored towards the student. If a student understands a certain concept fast, I'll stop explaining and move on, while I'll take much longer if he's slow to get it. This leads to problems. If a watcher of a recorded session doesn't get it yet and I move on, it might seem like I explained it poorly for example. A good example of this is the blog (for which you did not ask permission) you made about a coaching session I did with a friend of yours (who also didn't ask if it was ok to send the video to a friend, though this is more gray and understandable imo). You gave your own interpretations to the things you didn't really understand and I felt the blog reflected poorly on the quality of my coaching.

This is an interesting idea.
As far as the 'sample coaching video' thing is concerned, I don't think it needs to be a whole lesson or series of lessons that are recorded.
A great example of this is Joe Tall's coaching page which explains some stuff about his coaching program, but also has a short (3 minute) sample from a coaching session (yes, its ridiculously old judging by the logo) where he is analysing a hand, explaining the logic behind the thought processes, as well as bringing up a related hand from a previous session to further explain the ideas.
From that & the mass of videos at DC, I'd be more than happy to have Joe as a coach (though he's out of my price range) ... but one would assume that if done correctly, it could be a great advert for the coach.

As for the ethics/means of doing it ... definitely ask permission of the coach first. I'm sure most won't have a problem with you recording the session for your own use. If you then want to pick out a particular part, or highlights, for your coaching review purposes, that should be fine also, but make sure you let the coach know about it, as well as showing them what you intend to use, and giving them time for feedback, etc before you go sharing it with the DC community.
Having said that, a short 2-5 minute sample from a range of coaches would be a great way for people to make more informed decisions about poker coaching, as you have some idea of a coaches style in practice that you simply can't get from PMs, threads, etc.

I'd be surprised if a single coach would be up for doing this. For a coach to coach effectively, he definitely needs multiple sessions. He needs to get to know the students game and get familiar with the way the student thinks in order to make the most effective changes. A single coaching session from me would not give a good overview of my coaching program. My programs are also tailored towards the student. If a student understands a certain concept fast, I'll stop explaining and move on, while I'll take much longer if he's slow to get it. This leads to problems. If a watcher of a recorded session doesn't get it yet and I move on, it might seem like I explained it poorly for example. A good example of this is the blog (for which you did not ask permission) you made about a coaching session I did with a friend of yours (who also didn't ask if it was ok to send the video to a friend, though this is more gray and understandable imo). You gave your own interpretations to the things you didn't really understand and I felt the blog reflected poorly on the quality of my coaching.

My blog is just that, my blog - it is not ever intended as a "this is the way the world is", but as a "this is how I see things right now" take on the world, nor is it intended to try make a coach look good or bad, its just random thoughts as they come, thats what blogs are for. - semantics is a huge issue here, as it is in all forms of interpretation, a sentence I wrote may mean an entirely different thing to me than it does to you or anyone else.

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I'd be surprised if a single coach would be up for doing this. For a coach to coach effectively, he definitely needs multiple sessions. He needs to get to know the students game and get familiar with the way the student thinks in order to make the most effective changes. A single coaching session from me would not give a good overview of my coaching program. My programs are also tailored towards the student. If a student understands a certain concept fast, I'll stop explaining and move on, while I'll take much longer if he's slow to get it. This leads to problems. If a watcher of a recorded session doesn't get it yet and I move on, it might seem like I explained it poorly for example.

Exactly my thoughts.