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I've never had coaching but tubas vids made me a fortune. He knows how to beat the micros and he knows how to teach.

Looking at a 13k handsample isn't exactly a good idea. Especially when it contains obvious donking.

my bb/100 was positive until i donked off 15 buyins at 5nl to dc members!

You don't play poker and you don't win money at poker. This is undeniable. You most likely never made that much money at poker. So what makes you think you're qualified to teach anyone poker?

I know some of these guys that aren't very good and don't play poker have big followings here. The catch is that the people that love them all play NL $10 and as such don't know much about poker anyways.

You don't play poker and you don't win money at poker. This is undeniable. You most likely never made that much money at poker. So what makes you think you're qualified to teach anyone poker?

I know some of these guys that aren't very good and don't play poker have big followings here. The catch is that the people that love them all play NL $10 and as such don't know much about poker anyways.

I play and beat 400NL, would like to think that I know something about poker...

I play and beat 400NL, would like to think that I know something about poker...

What are you talking about? I'm talking about tubasteve not you.

I've played with you some, you're pretty good. Maybe you could coach tubasteve a little.

lots of hating in this topic, i love it.

What are you talking about? I'm talking about tubasteve not you.

I've played with you some, you're pretty good. Maybe you could coach tubasteve a little.

I'm saying that I also think that his vids are solid, and I'm not a 10NL player...

Steve,
I've watched your videos and read your posts. You obviously are dedicated to poker and I do like the videos I have seen. Of course, there will always be students/friends who will religiously defend (every sport/hobby is like this).

My ears(eyes) perked up when you have repeatedly said, "Many know that I don't play much any more." What does that mean? Why? You decided to ONLY coach? Some coaches say they make more money playing -- and that coaching actually pays them less (than their play).

Currently, I am neutral on this topic, but I think explaining why you keep saying this will help me a bit in my own understanding -- on whether the games are even beatable. That's my own personal fear: That I am just wasting my time watching videos and spending countless hours practicing. I kind of wonder if you made the smart choice and got out of the game.

I really wonder if I am wasting my time (my wife thinks so). Are the games beatable anymore? Are we also wasting our time trying to beat the game?

Please take this as a neutral (but difficult) curiosity. I'm not a lover or hater on this topic.
Thanks.

You don't play poker and you don't win money at poker. This is undeniable. You most likely never made that much money at poker. So what makes you think you're qualified to teach anyone poker?

I know some of these guys that aren't very good and don't play poker have big followings here. The catch is that the people that love them all play NL $10 and as such don't know much about poker anyways.

I made 14k euros at all stakes up to 200nl, and the 20-100nl part was mainly down to tuba & balugawhales vids, which are excellent.

I made 14k euros at all stakes up to 200nl, and the 25-100nl part was mainly down to tuba & balugawhales vids, which are excellent.

balugawhale actually wins at poker, there's no comparison here. it's like comparing jordan berkowitz to phil ivey. come on.

very few people that are good don't actually make any money playing. tubasteve is not in that group.

I'm saying that I also think that his vids are solid, and I'm not a 10NL player...

i mean what can you do? you say "oh his vids are great" i say his vids aren't good and many very good players i know agree with me (it's kind of a running joke we have.)

when it comes to objective evidence, we have all we need: he doesn't actually play poker.

i really think if you actually analyzed his vids you'd see some glaring issues.

that's really all i have to say about this. again, it's not personal, i don't know the guy i have never met the guy, i dont even know if he's really named steve. to add a little, here is a 2+2 post i made in the same sort of discussion where i talk a little about what i personally think the most efficient way to get better is....since i'm saying what not to do, here's a little of what i think you should do: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=18623077&postcount=7

I disagree obv., but that's just the way I'm going to pick a coach. I'm not watching videos to agree with whatever the coach says. I don't read the newspaper to agree with the journalist. I evaluate the information on my own. I decide if what a coach says in a video makes sense to me. I decide if his/her thought process is sound.

I think however you choose a coach, and even if it's Durrr or Phil Ivey, you shouldn't just believe what they say because they said it. Believe it because you think it through on your own and see the wisdom in what they say. There's no such thing as being too ignorant to think for yourself. Just because they are better at poker than you are doesn't mean they're always right.

I do agree using student results is unreliable. A coach can't control a student's ability to apply knowledge, or a student's tilt.

What im saying is its very hard for you to objectively analyize the coach's advice sometimes, espically for those in SSNL or the micros. Objectively analyzing a coach's advice requires you to have to correct poker mindset in whatever game your playing. Your fundamentals of what the most winning play is must be down pat.

So all im saying is maybe some can do it, but I think a lot are going to delude themselves into thinking that some coach is a genius when really he's giving out bad advice. Whereas even the biggest beginner in the world can infer a bigger winner or a higher stakes player is going to know his stuff better more often than not.

You don't play poker and you don't win money at poker. This is undeniable. You most likely never made that much money at poker. So what makes you think you're qualified to teach anyone poker?

I know some of these guys that aren't very good and don't play poker have big followings here. The catch is that the people that love them all play NL $10 and as such don't know much about poker anyways.

in Tuba's case, I know at the very least he learned from BalugaWhale who has had very good results at 5/10 and 10/20. And from the few Tuba videos I have seen, he seems to be reiterating a lot of Baluga's teachings, so in his case, even without any results, I still think he's a good coach. He knows the material extremelty well. But this is because a higher stakes player WITH results (Baluga) is effectively vouching for him. Thats important.

I cant speak for the other coaches though, and in general I think people should avoid break-even coaches or coaches that cant produce results.

Also you guys dont need to treat PTR like the bible. Sometimes PTR gets quite a bit off (I know in my case it is). Getting a screenshot of a graph or HEM results is FINE when looking at a coach's results.

He knows the material extremelty well.

I thin he's got some of the stuff right but that's hugely different from getting all the stuff right. Getting a lot of things wrong is enough to make you lose at poker. He gets enough things wrong that if he wanted to play me HU I'd definitely have a huge boner and I can't say that about many coaches here.

I cant speak for the other coaches though, and in general I think people should avoid break-even coaches or coaches that cant produce results.

Totally agree. There are so many videos out there that if no more holdem videos were made ever there would still be 5x enough material between all the coaching sites to help a new guy go from zero to hero. Seriously, all the sites could stop making videos forever and it wouldn't hurt anyone. Why watch a video from a guy that you don't know for sure is good?

Also you guys dont need to treat PTR like the bible. Sometimes PTR gets quite a bit off (I know in my case it is).

There are so many vids out there though, why watch bother with ones from guys that you can't be sure are winners at poker? Winning money at poker is a necessary but not sufficient condition to being a good coach (only exception is if you had some insane emotional issues where you tilt like a madman constantly, I don't think this is common, if it is then eat a handful of xanax.)

Not to belabor the point, but why watch a surfdoc vid if you haven't already watched every Phil Galfond vid twice? One guy is one of the great poker thinkers in the world and has won more money than anyone. The other guy is surfdoc.

BTW Your PTR is still pretty good though, isn't it (if you are who I think you are you are up $150k between the 2 sites. And you play HU, which PTR is a lot less accurate for as well in my experience, because it doesn't always capture these guys that come and bust 100 bbs in 5 hands.)

Also I still think even people like Tuba should play more, at the very least, I feel like people have to play some of the games in today's enviroment to know what sort of game the student faces when the student plays. Theoretical constructs only take you so far.

i wish I was up $150k on two sites lol. My sn is evil_ecstasy_x on ftp, and ptr has me up but not nearly as much as I actually am. Of course a bunch of high stakes PLO losses havent helped my PTR much (I dont coach PLO obv lol)

Im not saying you shouldnt get coached by sure winners, Im just saying PTR can get way off, whereas a graph is going to be more accurate and I dont think you have to worry about anyone faking any graphs. If you were really paranoid you could always teamviewer sweat the coach to make sure the graph was real.