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villain: tag
new site, no reads.. but not really necessary for this one imo

CO: $453.20
Hero (BTN): $400.00
SB: $428.60
BB: $607.30
UTG: $443.30

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with T 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $14, SB calls $12, 1 fold

Flop: ($32.00) J 9 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $24.00, SB calls $24

Turn: ($80.00) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $66.00, SB calls $66

River: ($212.00) K (2 players)
SB checks, SHERO?

im not sure about the turnbetsizing either, maybe 68 or 72? ..i was distracted by the fckn software

but what about the river?

lol it isnt even bvb, cant read my own hhs :<

Why do you wanna underbet the pot? To induce? Just go for value. Bet the same as you would with a weaker hand or as a 3 barrel bluff. Expect yourself to be good almost always. Because he is likely to have shown strength earlier in the hand if he had something strong. I dont think you can induce a bluff check raise by underbetting in this spot.

I'd bet about 140-160 and fold to a shove. I don't think you would get bluff raised or raised with naked K if you bet this big.

id bet more on the flop to.

cant we just shove river if we would have made it a little larger flop/turn...

Betting an amount to induce a shove seems kinda cool.

Dunno what that would be $120?

i think we could overshove everything we are on or at least bet an amount that is callable.. which amount is it? but it is tough to call anyways isnt it? maybe im just too pessimistic to think villain is good.

he has a J here like 90% of the time id say (maybe im underestimating Kx)
J9 JT QJ KJ AJ

ALL THIS makes it tough for me to decide for a betsizing. i cant see him call JT too often to a shove. BUT to call the turn, he HAS to think his J is good.

what influence has this K river? what about a DEUCE or EIGHT river?
does the king make him more or less likely to call?
is there any difference?

so you see i struggled here for a while and bet a random amount (half pot or something) and he folded.

and remember we dont have any history, so i dont think he calls the river and was scared by KJ lol. with history id shove this no matter what.

i think we could overshove everything we are on or at least bet an amount that is callable.. which amount is it? but it is tough to call anyways isnt it? maybe im just too pessimistic to think villain is good.

he has a J here like 90% of the time id say (maybe im underestimating Kx)
J9 JT QJ KJ AJ

ALL THIS makes it tough for me to decide for a betsizing. i cant see him call JT too often to a shove. BUT to call the turn, he HAS to think his J is good.

what influence has this K river? what about a DEUCE or EIGHT river?
does the king make him more or less likely to call?
is there any difference?

so you see i struggled here for a while and bet a random amount (half pot or something) and he folded.

and remember we dont have any history, so i dont think he calls the river and was scared by KJ lol. with history id shove this no matter what.

I cant answer those questions because everyone is different, but Id say in genreal people dont fold TP on the turn because they are afraid of bluffs, and on the K river they think that their hand is probably still good. A deuces river is the same as a K river in essence. A ten river makes it more likely you will bluff which may mean he bluff catches lighter. Who knows??

Why are you shoving with history though?
To me shoving isnt that great.
Id so like ot induce stuff.........

Would you shove QQ?

I'd probably bet about 176 or something

176 why and with which holdings?

and yes i wold bet everything AJ+, but is it really (that) profitable? lol

Bet a normal amount, ~150-170 is fine. Without history he is going to be less likely to call a J to an overshove since he will be getting worse pot odds.

If he raises it's pretty close since he rarely has a slowplayed boat/straight that isn't KJ exactly. QTs slowplayed is possible. I'd bet/fold the river with no reads since I don't think he is going to turn something like T9s into a crazy bluff here without any history.

3.5bb is also pretty big for opening the button with 100bb stacks. My standard is 2.5, 3 is also fine.