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NL Holdem $4(BB) Replayer
SB ($479)
BB ($394)
UTG ($406)
Hero ($1,013)
BTN ($548)

Dealt to Hero T K

fold, Hero raises to $12, fold, SB calls $10, fold

FLOP ($28) Q J A

SB checks, Hero bets $22, SB calls $22

TURN ($72) Q J A J

SB checks, Hero bets $50, SB raises to $144




Villain is 21/15 reg 6% 3bet, so he probably not 3betting hands like JQs and AJ vs my CO open.
He has just 5% 3bet vs CO raise. 16% call open @BB

He has like 20% raise Cbet on the flop, but i think he rarely should have some raising range on this flop, probably some of the times will raise 2pair/straight.

I expect him to raise all his value hands on the turn, same as flushdraws.
This turn isn't that good for barelling, but i think he still can raise his flushdraws some % of the time.

I put him on this range

{AJs,KJs-KTs,QJs,JTs,9h8h,8h7h,7h6h,AJo,KJo-KTo,QJo,JTo}
which leads me to the fact i have 44% equity and i have to call the turn.

Once we get to the river, how would you proceed against an unknown.

My thoughts are, that i have boats, straights, trips and 2pair type hands on the river, probably some AK . So on the river straight becomes in the middle of my range and i fold trips and AK there for sure, which are more combinations than my top range (boats).


On the river we have 300$ eff in 360$ pot, which gives us 31% pot odds to call.
If i have to be honest, i think 2/3 of the straight combos are fold if we follow gto vs unkowns.



Any more thoughts about my though process ?

Your thought process doesn't really make sense to me

He has like 20% raise Cbet on the flop, but i think he rarely should have some raising range on this flop, probably some of the times will raise 2pair/straight.

what's this based on? I wouldn't expect most people to think that you will multiple barrel this board with weak range very often.

I expect him to raise all his value hands on the turn, same as flushdraws.
This turn isn't that good for barelling, but i think he still can raise his flushdraws some % of the time.

again why? What's the basis of this assumption?

I put him on this range

{AJs,KJs-KTs,QJs,JTs,9h8h,8h7h,7h6h,AJo,KJo-KTo,QJo,JTo}
which leads me to the fact i have 44% equity and i have to call the turn.

Villain have to be pretty terrible to have some of those hands in his preflop calling range given positions.

Without more information on what your assumption is based on, it's impossible to judge your play since they seem to be very villain specific.

Tbh, these first two assumptions are not based on something, i just assume.

Villain have to be pretty terrible to have some of those hands in his preflop calling range given positions.

You mean, he probably hasn't hands like AJo, KJo if he 3bets depolarized or hands like 76s, 87s ?

Villain have to be pretty terrible to have some of those hands in his preflop calling range given positions.

What do you mean? Is it terrible to defend suited connectors from blinds? Or offsuit broadways? I'm still experimenting with my defending range from blinds, so please say a little more.

calling JTo sb vs co is probably -ev vs most opponents, and I dont see many regs do it. 21/15 does not look like that either. same for 87s. And AJ / 99/TT should be in his 3bet range.

But what baffels me more, is your estimated ranges. Beginning on the flop. Why would he not have a raising range? the flop is prettty drawheavy, so I would say he raises his entire valuerange, most of the time, that is KTs, pair + FD, and maybe AQ. Also he should c/r fold his bare FDs.
On the turn, why would he raise a bare FD? He cant think to have much FEQ. Why would he raisebare tripsT? Would be isolating himself against the range that beats him.

I would expect most regs to be way more polarized in that spot, to boats, MAYBE a straight, and alsmost certainly no plain trips. FD's might be in there, if he somehow thinks you would brl this turn light, but agin, I would discount KT as well as FDs on the flop.

What do you mean? Is it terrible to defend suited connectors from blinds? Or offsuit broadways? I'm still experimenting with my defending range from blinds, so please say a little more.

It's terrible to have a wide calling range from the SB facing a 3x raise period unless villain has a mega wide opening range. Improva even went as far as saying we probably should not have a calling range in the SB facing 3x raise and just 3bet the entire range of hands we want to play. I think it's a bit of a stretch but it does give you an idea on what kind of calling ranges you should expect from a competent opponent. I would think most regs who made it to and can win at 400nl at least have their preflop range construction figured out.

SB is not the same as the BB so grouping them together as "defending ranges from the blinds" is a mistake.

It's terrible to have a wide calling range from the SB facing a 3x raise period unless villain has a mega wide opening range. Improva even went as far as saying we probably should not have a calling range in the SB facing 3x raise and just 3bet the entire range of hands we want to play. I think it's a bit of a stretch but it does give you an idea on what kind of calling ranges you should expect from a competent opponent. I would think most regs who made it to and can win at 400nl at least have their preflop range construction figured out.

SB is not the same as the BB so grouping them together as "defending ranges from the blinds" is a mistake.

or as an alternative not have a 3betting range...

If i thought, that villain is competent reg, i'd mentioned.

He has like 14% call vs steal and 12% 3bet.
I didn't observe how he is construct his ranges, but if we rely on stats, i think he isn't that competent for 2/4, so probably my assumed range isn't that bad.