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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by inavacuum (Mid Stakes)

Why wouldn't it make sence to check/raise flush here? What are "the various reasons"?

Ignoring the drawbacks of trying to have a balanced turn CRing range overall, lets think about what his CR achieves in the moment. We have no history, so if I am some random OG player he should not expect me to fold TP through AA on the turn, ever. He probably thinks I will also peel if I am betting a draw. If these things are true then the CR is fine, but he has no information to support this. This means he's going to bluff less often with less perceived FE. Hero's range looks pretty strong to continue on the turn, especially with a lot of high equity hands checking back+the card helping his PR. So what is almost always happening is that his CR is polarised to flushes and better and some range of air that is not enough for hero to be exploited. He thinks he should be getting a lot of value, but essentially what he's doing is isolating himself vs other flushes and full houses and denying hero any opportunity to bluff or thinly value bet the river.

Definitely agree!

So why checkback flop instead of betting it and then why betting the turn? Would love if you could elaborate on that a little more.

We check back the flop because we're not making any better hands fold and he has a range of better hands that he checks. When he also checks the turn it becomes far less likely his range contains those hands and more likely that we can bet to induce from his air/get value from worse Ax.

I think in a vacuum it's going to be better to fire 3 than 1 vs a reg (and it's more likely to be a reg than a fish, although yes, those two things are not mutually exclusive). It might be the same or better to fire none, but I don't think that we can have a game-plan vs regs where we don't bet that flop as the 3bettor. I think any reg that calls a 3bet IP will feel huge pressure to not fold dry flops regardless of other factors.

Can you elaborate on this?

If I understood you right you are advocating a 3 barrel there, rather than just betting once (or twice?)?

Should we really expect a regish opponent to call us that light on 2 streets there, with like a middlepair and stuff?

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I don't really get the argument that you would wanna raise smaller with your weaker part of your range in that spot against a fish. Given he is a fish I think we are much better off just raising big with our entire range we are opening since our edge postflop will be so big. I mean either we think the hand is good enough to play against him or we don't, and in the case where we think it is we might as well make it bigger so that we can win bigger pots postflop, wouldn't you agree?

I don't really get the argument that you would wanna raise smaller with your weaker part of your range in that spot against a fish. Given he is a fish I think we are much better off just raising big with our entire range we are opening since our edge postflop will be so big. I mean either we think the hand is good enough to play against him or we don't, and in the case where we think it is we might as well make it bigger so that we can win bigger pots postflop, wouldn't you agree?

I think that's fine when we're going to have a reasonable PSR but when he's so short we can either fold a lot more or be exploitable, and he's not going to exploit us.

Can you elaborate on this?

If I understood you right you are advocating a 3 barrel there, rather than just betting once (or twice?)?

Yes.

Should we really expect a regish opponent to call us that light on 2 streets there, with like a middlepair and stuff?

Yes in an ordinary situation and even moreso on ongame.

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given that here we know almost for sure we have the best hand, what do you think about shoving the river to get him off a chop?

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There are very few FHs though so don't you think we can call and get paid up pretty decently if we hit out the flush OTR?

77, 55, 75, Q7 are only a very few combos of hands that we really are drawing dead against, and then also if he happens to play the nutFD this way, but in my experience fish rarely does, and if they do they probably do it with all their FDs.

So shouldn't the fact that he can have a decent amount of trips in this spot justify a call?

If not, would the nutFD be a call for you in the very same spot?

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You are saying that he should bluff the river here. With what kind of hands would that be a good option? His entire range that was barreling flop-turn and now has no SD-value? And if so, are we targeting all weak aces, or even potential worse hands (although I guess most of them would fold ott)?

given that here we know almost for sure we have the best hand, what do you think about shoving the river to get him off a chop?

It could be better, it would depend how many combos of slowplays he has. Although I think it is very, very rare that he has one, I do think he has one a non-zero amount of the time. I also think he's more likely to have non A high air than A high, combined with the fact that we block Ax.

There are very few FHs though so don't you think we can call and get paid up pretty decently if we hit out the flush OTR?

77, 55, 75, Q7 are only a very few combos of hands that we really are drawing dead against, and then also if he happens to play the nutFD this way, but in my experience fish rarely does, and if they do they probably do it with all their FDs.

So shouldn't the fact that he can have a decent amount of trips in this spot justify a call?

If not, would the nutFD be a call for you in the very same spot?

I expect to have under 20% equity on the turn which isn't going to cut it. There are some fish who have a bluffing range here, which is a good thing, but I don't think that's the case for this guy, especially with our history.

You are saying that he should bluff the river here. With what kind of hands would that be a good option? His entire range that was barreling flop-turn and now has no SD-value? And if so, are we targeting all weak aces, or even potential worse hands (although I guess most of them would fold ott)?

Anything worse than Qx, unless he thinks we are only getting to the river with Ax combos, which is the least likely scenario given the action.

I dont really get the A4o hand that you dragged into the screen.

So its bvb you open A4o cbet Q9x 2spades you have As, and he raised you there...
Soo since you have the As that blocks allot of possible FD he can raise, thats leaves him with a small value range of 44,99(if that dssnt get 3bet) and Q9o/s and a possibly bigger bluffing range of TJo/s's T8s,J8s maybe some FD's right ?

What i don't get, how do you determine how much he's bluffing there. Do you need some kind of note/read or is the fact that if he's a thinking/aggressive player enough here. Simply because his value range is so small, so not much bluffs needed.

Well then how do you plan to play the rest of the hand, how do you know he's not just gonna bomb the turn + rvr vs you...? I find that really hard, and might end up saying well oop this is getting tough he can barrel me on spades or some connected cards etc etc i just fold flop

Please enlighten me how i should approach there types of spots as i think i struggle the most in oop play. (if you know, can you recommend me some vids on this maybe ? thx)

Having As blocks his NFD combos. However, this is BVB and I expect him to have the most possible FD combos in general. All the crappy FDs he can't have if we're earlier (64s, 63s, 62s, T6s, J7s, J6s... I could make a very, very long list and that's just the FDs). Having As allows us to continue more often. You correctly surmise that he has a narrow value range that is mostly consisted of his 55 combos. He can have Q9 also, but will 3bet that some % of the time. I expect him to 3bet QQ and 99 more often than he flats. His bluffing range on the other hand should be off the charts. Anything with a draw or a backdoor draw is likely to consider raising (I think incorrectly, due to his limited possible value range, but I see it all the time, or I wouldn't react in this way clearly).

How do we decide how often he's doing this? I think that's the crux of the problem you are having is that you're not sure how to properly construct his range and his likely POA. If you have a ton of hands on villain then you should already know what to do because you would have done a HM review on all the regs in your game. If you don't, you have 2 options: 1. Wait and see and in the mean time keep folding, which will take a long time. 2. Make a best estimation and adjust as you go. Bear in mind that if we have little info on villain beyond "he's a reg" then villain is going to be operating under the same amount of information. How do we know he's not going to barrel off on any run out? We don't. How does he know we're not going to call down any run out? He doesn't. He has the same concerns you do, we just have to be anticipating that. We also have the option to turn our hand into a bluff on certain runouts. I didn't deem it necessary here. Importantly, no matter how the hand results out you then have some tangible info on villain and meta game to mold to your advantage.

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96s hand on AT5tt, what is your reasoning for delay cbetting, and barreling river? I don't use delay cbetting in my game too much, so wondering when it is appropriate to do so. Thanks!