Timor
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00:29:45 When you overbet the river you say that his play to x/c river is FPS. However, if he's handreading he knows that you probably don't have pure floats (you snapcalled the turn) so it's either busted flushdraws, pp's or Ax. All of you Ax are lower than his (you probably 3bet AJ+) but are going to valuebet anyway and he gives you the chance to do the same with busted flushdraws. He's only losing value to pp's/8x but those aren't the majority of your range and might not even call the river so how can his play be FPS?
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blah234
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00:29:45 When you overbet the river you say that his play to x/c river is FPS. However, if he's handreading he knows that you probably don't have pure floats (you snapcalled the turn) so it's either busted flushdraws, pp's or Ax. All of you Ax are lower than his (you probably 3bet AJ+) but are going to valuebet anyway and he gives you the chance to do the same with busted flushdraws. He's only losing value to pp's/8x but those aren't the majority of your range and might not even call the river so how can his play be FPS?
My percieved range on the river is busted FD, Ax+ and second/third pair and some PP. When he has an A it significantly reduces number of Ax+ combos in my range. When he checks the river he will get a bluff from busted FD and Ax+ but lose money vs rest of my made hand range which will check behind. My perceived range should have way more marginal made hands compared to other things besides I may not bluff with 100% of my busted FD, for example K high FD is checking behind to try and win at showdown.
To maximize our EV we need to optimize vs villain's range. Betting and check is the same about vs Ax+. Betting > checking vs other marginally made hands. Checking > Betting vs busted draw. If marginal made hand part of villain's range is bigger (more combos) than busted FD (villain also has to bluff with them) then betting is higher EV than checking. Checking instead of betting = FPS.
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blah234
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Can you explain further how you would adjust your cbetting range vs him now that he folded to a delayed cbet? I think you got distracted by the AQ hand.
I would distribute more pure air into my delayed cbetting range instead of betting flop and be more happy folding when villain leads turn next time I check to him on the flop.
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You lose money by shoving over a river bet if villain bet/calls river with any Ax hand or boat.
You're right calling if he bets the river is the highest EV play assuming he calls with only Ax and boats. I said that in the video and it was a mistake in estimating equity during play.
However, I still think shoving the river is highest EV because villain may b/c with more than just Ax+ hands and we have very close to 50% equity vs the above range so doesn't take many combos to swing it in our favour.
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blah234
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But the people watching who might benefit the most from this video might not.
No to sound offensive but all of my video should do more harm than good to anyone without a basic understanding of poker concepts, like if it's +EV to call with 1 hand then must be +EV to call with another hand that has more pot equity vs villan's range
They should also understand the next sentence of calculate EV and figure out for themselves once and be done with this spot instead of blindly believe everything I said. I'm sure I said there are probably good and bad advice in most videos, including this one of course. You already found one.
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No to sound offensive but all of my video should do more harm than good to anyone without a basic understanding of poker concepts, like if it's +EV to call with 1 hand then must be +EV to call with another hand that has more pot equity vs villan's range
Well if you are going to give bad information then yeah.
The problem with putting the responsibility of filtering the bad information from the good onto the the one watching the video, is that the viewer is rarely able to differentiate between the two. For the ones that can, the value of the information becomes diminished.
To be clear, I don't think you gave bad information because you don't understand the concepts, rather I think you just misspoke while trying to play and explain your thoughts.
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blah234
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The problem with putting the responsibility of filtering the bad information from the good onto the the one watching the video, is that the viewer is rarely able to differentiate between the two
Like I said in this video, I think this should be one of the very first things everyone should learn how to do. Otherwise, improving will be very difficult since no one is perfect. All the coaches are human thus they make mistakes and the reason why people win is not because they make no mistakes or they understand everything. They win because they make less mistakes and understand more than their average opponents. Tommy Angelos calls it recipricality(spelling?) and that's the best way to look at every poker advice from any sources.
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