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Villain is playing 44/29/3 90 hands

Openraised all buttons.
F/cbet = 25%
cbets flop 50%
agg% = 30

Villain called some 3bets IP with sc and hit very well and got paid.
He had a stack of ~220BB.
Villain recently lost a big pot where villain shoved turn IP in a 3betpot with midpair and a gs.

Villain checked down once in this situation after cbetting flop.

I think turn is standard, what is your riverplay?

Ongame Network $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1775795
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Hero (BB): $1696
UTG: $1687
CO: $2364
BTN: $629.67
SB: $975.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BB with 5 A
2 folds, BTN raises to $25, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: ($55) 8 Q 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $30, Hero calls

Turn: ($115) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $80, Hero calls

River: ($275) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $210, Hero ?

Preflop: Is normally a fold.

Flop: Is normally a fold.

Turn: Is obv a call.

River: Is normally a call. I would expect villain to bluff this river from time to time since you should not have many Ax hands in your range and most likely 3bets all Q-good kicker. And he is certainly betting worse made hands.

Preflop: What is your preflop callingrange against such a player? We fold here because: our hand strength/we don't know much about villains barreling frequencie/our position? Other reasons?

Flop: If the board is more dry like Q26r, would you c/c Ace-high? Or same reasoning for folding since we don't know much about his barreling frequencie?

pre I would defend about A7 or A8+, Axs, KTo+, QT+ and most suited connectors / gappers, as well as Q9s K9s J8s, 22+.

flop: on a dry flop like Q62r I would most likely c/c A highs a good % of the time, but on as draw heavy of a board like Q83 2t I would certainly fold without any backdoors, maybe c/c or c/r with As some % of the time

turn and river I agree with improva, villain should probably view it as a good bluffing opportunity and there is no reason to assume that he is not at least barraling all spade draws and all heart draws that he chose to cbet flop with. Only problem is that many of those have a pair and might not bluff, but since his bu range is wide he can still Kxss, Kxhh, Jxss, Jxhh and low suited connectors.

I would be slightly tighter pre A8o+ or so. I like playing poker with two cards.

And yes I would more likely to X/C dryer flops.

Preflop: Is normally a fold.

Flop: Is normally a fold.

Turn: Is obv a call.

River: Is normally a call. I would expect villain to bluff this river from time to time since you should not have many Ax hands in your range and most likely 3bets all Q-good kicker. And he is certainly betting worse made hands.

All of this. I might defend this vs a minraise pre

Preflop is a snap call.

If he is opening 100% of BTNS you are folding too much of your BB range if you are folding A5o.

Depending on much he is cbetting c/f or c/r but opening 100% of BTNs is pretty bad so Id be c/r a lot more than say a 70-80% opner just beacuse 72o, 43o etc play sooo badly and that makes up 20ish% of his range, and they are nearly always bluff cbetting.

Preflop is a snap call.

If he is opening 100% of BTNS you are folding too much of your BB range if you are folding A5o.

Depending on much he is cbetting c/f or c/r but opening 100% of BTNs is pretty bad so Id be c/r a lot more than say a 70-80% opner just beacuse 72o, 43o etc play sooo badly and that makes up 20ish% of his range, and they are nearly always bluff cbetting.

This is not HU.

This is not HU.

doesn't really matter, because we are playing vs a range. and vs a 100% opening range A5o becomes a call

doesn't really matter, because we are playing vs a range. and vs a 100% opening range A5o becomes a call

That is partly true...
But we don't have to defend as wide because the SB will also defend some and 100% is just a leak..
Gotta go know.. will explain more some other day

We have a hand vs a range and essentially this hand plays the same as HU with him opening 100%. So if you defend this HU, then this is definitely a defend here.

How much SB defends shouldnt matter when he folds pre. I guess you are suggesting you dont want to become exploitable by folding too much, but in HU you think you have to call A5o because if he is opening 100% folding A5o becomes exploitable, but here its not exploitable because SB will defends or 3bet vs his range.

I dont think we should play a hand based on those things. We should play a hand based on the preflop odds he is offering us and against his range. So with a 100% range and getting odds of 15 to win 40 preflop Id never fold this hand.

Preflop - call or 3 bet, against 100% raiser.

I dont understand the call on the flop. Surely in this situation we:

a/ xr if we miss
b/ call if we hit a pair or better.

I could understand calling with ace high on a less wet board with a better kicker, but we cannot call down barrells unless we catch an ace.

River - cannot fold now. Call.

We have a hand vs a range and essentially this hand plays the same as HU with him opening 100%. So if you defend this HU, then this is definitely a defend here.

How much SB defends shouldnt matter when he folds pre. I guess you are suggesting you dont want to become exploitable by folding too much, but in HU you think you have to call A5o because if he is opening 100% folding A5o becomes exploitable, but here its not exploitable because SB will defends or 3bet vs his range.

I dont think we should play a hand based on those things. We should play a hand based on the preflop odds he is offering us and against his range. So with a 100% range and getting odds of 15 to win 40 preflop Id never fold this hand.

We have 90 hands (≈ 5 btn opens). I find it very unlikely that he is actually opening 100% of hands.

The reasons for calling HU is not just because we have a hand vs a range. It is also because what is likely to happen if we don't call.

In 6max it is unlikely that villain will maintain a 100% range.

Should villain actually have a 100% range in this situation we still don't know how he plays postflop - that means I would fold marginal hands that I would often feel tempted to play passive postflop. If I had to pick something different than folding it would be 3betting.

If you think he isnt opening 100% then folding is fine.
Id probably defend A5o even against a 75% opener tho.

The reasons for calling HU is not just because we have a hand vs a range. It is also because what is likely to happen if we don't call

I dont get what you mean by this. How is the logic you are using for HU not to be applied to 6max then?

Should villain actually have a 100% range in this situation we still don't know how he plays postflop - that means I would fold marginal hands that I would often feel tempted to play passive postflop.

Thats probably the mistake then.
You are worried about playing a hand passively postflop to justify making a preflop fold when if you played this hand aggressively postflop youll probably see a profit.

look not as good as you guys but shouldnt this be a 3 bet or fold spot pre? A5 os not going to play well vs. lag button.