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FatKing85

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4(BB) Replayer
Hero ($668)
BB ($654)
CO ($475)
BTN ($925)

Dealt to Hero 6Heart 4Heart

CO raises to $12, BTN calls $12, Hero raises to $48, fold, fold, BTN calls $36

FLOP ($112) 7Heart AClub 3Heart

Hero bets $64, BTN calls $64

TURN ($240) 7Heart AClub 3Heart 6Spade

Hero bets $152, BTN calls $152

RIVER ($544) 7Heart AClub 3Heart 6Spade 7Club

[color=red]Hero bets $404 (AI)


villain was playing a pretty straightforward style, running around 19/16 over 80 hands, most of them were 5 handed. BB was a very aggressive reg, with 20% 3bet so far, but I kinda doubt that villain would flat a big hand to trap a squeeze.
for my that was a reason though why I think I really can't flat that hand (prolly shouldnt flat it anyway oop vs 2 regs).

flop should be pretty standard, I have no SD value and a lot of EQ and good cards to 2nd barrel, also I can make him fold the better hand a lot. I think his range consists of a lot of medium pairs that called pre bc were a bit deep, I epxect him to call them once, sometimes twice, and almost never 3 times.

turn I pick up a pair but its likely I have the 2nd best hand. I thought a bet on the small side was my best option, leaving me with a decent sized riverjam and give how straight forward villain was I doubt hes gonna turn his hand into a bluff and jam or bluffjam at all.

river his range consists of pretty much AQ, TT-JJ (can be discounted though bc he will likely 3bet pre or backraise my squeeze. a 7 in his range would be a long shot.theres only one combo now of 76s, and 2 combos of 78s.

Posted about 1 year ago

blah234

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river his range consists of pretty much AQ, TT-JJ (can be discounted though bc he will likely 3bet pre or backraise my squeeze. a 7 in his range would be a long shot.theres only one combo now of 76s, and 2 combos of 78s.



Villain's range is pretty much TP and trips so we jam? Why can't he have AJ or AT? Hand reading should start preflop. Did you put villain on a range at all on the flop and the turn?

Posted about 1 year ago

zachd2323

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I think a villain playing this style will most likely be folding his PP's by the turn. So I would expect him to almost always have TP or better for getting to the river.

Posted about 1 year ago

FatKing85

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i expect him to fold TP here since he should now how obvious his hand is , im squeezing pre and am firing 3 barrels, so my range is pretty strong.

Posted about 1 year ago

blah234

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i expect him to fold TP here since he should now how obvious his hand is , im squeezing pre and am firing 3 barrels, so my range is pretty strong.



FD missed 3bet pot people fold TP? I don't expect people to fold A2 here and how is his hand face up. His perceived range is top pair +, some 88-TT and FD.

Posted about 1 year ago

slowlane123

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Guess I'll be the only one who likes flatting pre? It's just so rare that you have any barreling opportunities with this hand. I know BB is squeeze happy but meh.

I don't like your bet sizing postflop. Too big for my liking.

Just seems like a good spot to have a really wide value range to me as I think you're getting looked up a lot.

Posted 12 months ago

terp

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well, i wouldn't call pre and i wouldn't squeeze, either, with this hand, but now that we're here...

blah, your opponents must perceive everyone as dumb-aggro to snap off A2 here. sure, there are some draws he could have, but this isn't a very logical barreling off spot. many of our flush draw hands would flat pre with these stacks and multiway (suited broadways), so he'd have to assign us a bunch of chaotic bluffs to call any Ax here.

our image is pretty important here and it gets no mention....

Posted 12 months ago

blah234

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blah, your opponents must perceive everyone as dumb-aggro to snap off A2 here. sure, there are some draws he could have, but this isn't a very logical barreling off spot. many of our flush draw hands would flat pre with these stacks and multiway (suited broadways), so he'd have to assign us a bunch of chaotic bluffs to call any Ax here.



Majority of the oppoents I play against are either bad or good. Both of which will not fold A2 here. The bad players got top pair so they don't fold. The good ones called with A2 for a reason and that's because our percieved 3betting range is polarized enough for them to call with that hand. So no way they will fold that if they block a large portion of our value range by holding an A and AX is small portion of our range compared to random suited junk.

Only ones that will fold Ax here are people that are weak tight and doesn't think.

Posted 12 months ago

terp

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even with his holding an ace, we should have enough combos of AA/AK/AQ/couple AXs two pair that i don't necessarily think calling with an ace is good. mostly, a good opponent here will be capable of playing based on more than card combos.

btw, i'll be in van in a week if you want to get drinks

Posted 12 months ago

terp

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i mean, quite honestly, never folding this river in opponent's spot (or effectively never folding it) is not a good thing unless our opponents bluff too often

Posted 12 months ago

blah234

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btw, i'll be in van in a week if you want to get drinks



sweet call me

Posted 12 months ago

blah234

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i mean, quite honestly, never folding this river in opponent's spot (or effectively never folding it) is not a good thing unless our opponents bluff too often



I think villain will fold some amount on the river just not Ax. Thinking opponent's range for each street should be something like this if they're not trying to exploit some leak.

flop calling range, 7x, 88-99, FD, backdoor SD + FD so like broadway with 1 heart etc, Ax+
Turn calling range, 7x, 88-99 FD, Ax+, folding range the broadways with backdoor draws.
river calling range, Ax+, folding range 88-99, FD.

Posted 12 months ago




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