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The dynamic was setuped by two fish on SB and BB. I think that he is calling a lot of crap pre in this spot. I decided that his raising range here is draw heavy and x/ship the turn would be the best play.

This is another spot I think I x/shove to thin. Maybe its because of my last sessions...

I dont know if he is capable of CC QQ+ here but maybe he is (my ft3bet is 66 there).

How do you play on the turn?
How do you play there with KK+

$400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1766492
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MP: $175.50 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 19, 3B: 9, AF: 3.0, Hands: 1806
CO: $381.10 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 23, 3B: 12, AF: 3.0, Hands: 9438
BTN: $421.70 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3.6, Hands: 6702
SB: $138.00 - VPIP: 35, PFR: 19, 3B: 4, AF: 1.7, Hands: 1269
BB: $200.00 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.1, Hands: 1648
Hero (UTG): $740.70 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 2.9, Hands: 93910

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG with K J
Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, BTN calls $12, 2 folds

Flop: ($30.00) J 9 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $22.00, BTN raises to $56, Hero calls $34

Turn: ($142.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $94.00, Hero raises to $672.70, BTN calls $259.70 all in

River: ($849.40) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Sounds like a standard reg to me so he is obv capable of flatting QQ+ to keep fish in imo.

Turn is a terrible card for him to continue bluffing on so I would probably x/f most of the time.

KK+ is different as we now beat more of his value shoving range. This would be really close :-)

EDIT: Had a bit more of a look at his stats. This is a definite turn fold for me as played.

In the given positions you should think long and hard about folding on the flop. The reason is that you are going to be OOP with a transparent range vs a range that is likely on the tighter side.

In the given positions you should think long and hard about folding on the flop. The reason is that you are going to be OOP with a transparent range vs a range that is likely on the tighter side.

likely on the tighter side? With two fish on SB/BB + raise cbet 16 I see more draws than made hands.

And why my hand is transparent? How do you play KK+ in this spot?

I can agree with slowlane123 and best argument to fold the T is that he won't bluff on the blank card.

You hand is transparent because you almost always has a bluff catcher. KK is nothing but a bluff catcher.

Villain's range is stronger because of positions.

TURN:
In order to find out whether c/r > folding all you need to do is work out what range of hands he is bet/folding. Work out how much you make when he bet/folds and work out how much you lose when he bet/calls.

More important than the turn is flop play.
Improva is suggestting bet/folding.
If you are bet/folding this flop and are happy about it vs his range you are making a mistake.

What reason are we betting flop?
Pretty easy. Value.

Work out his preflop range first and figure how exactly are you trying to get value from this hand vs his range His range needs to be reasonable loose preflop, and you need to be ahead of his range for vbetting > checking.

Im too lazy to work out combos and % of CC preflop hand but say its around 5% cbetting becomes bad because you value own yourself against his range.

Id say the most important thing here is knowing his preflop CC range. If its really loose then you need to be trying to do as much as possible to get that range to put money in. You need to know this before you can make good decisions on the flop.