rohan68
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hello, why do we 3bet with such a rag oop?
a reg will often call IP so we have to 3bet depolarized (and if we polarize Axo seems a lot better than 74s, doesnt it?)
i give him this calling range JJ-88,AQo,KQo,AQs-ATs,KQs-KTs,QJs,JTs
ok he misses the flop : he has 4% set, 15% overpaire and 30% Ahigh, 41% air but our range also miss flop so it's easy for him to raise bluff, doestn it?
you say he will flaot with Ax and small PP but he has more Ax than PP so bet turn on A seems really bad, (you say PP will fold to a bet on a A turn). While playing vs his calling range preflop and flop shouldn('t we bet turn everytinh but aces ?
it's allways a difficult spot for me because my range looks like his calling range so its hard to play
same idea for AJ5r, ok he hits harder than before :
4% set, 3%2 pair, 22% top pair and only 27% weak pair and 30% air but we also hit ery good this flop, so our fold equity increases doesnt it? (he will fold all his air and weak pairs that are 60% and if we CB we only need 33% fold
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rohan68
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hi ok we donk to protect vs a check, but how to you balance (if we only donks sets here its obvious)
if i'm good there are only 9 combos of sets here so we need 9 combos to balance, you want something you can play for stacks so combo draws? AQs-ATs are only 3...JTs (1)..i find only 4 combos so i dont find how to be balance
thanks (again great concept)
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BalugaWhale
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hi ok we donk to protect vs a check, but how to you balance (if we only donks sets here its obvious)
if i'm good there are only 9 combos of sets here so we need 9 combos to balance, you want something you can play for stacks so combo draws? AQs-ATs are only 3...JTs (1)..i find only 4 combos so i dont find how to be balance
thanks (again great concept)
balance isn't very important for me, especially since we're usually value-betting against the fish (who really doesn't care how balanced we are)
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BalugaWhale
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hello, why do we 3bet with such a rag oop?
a reg will often call IP so we have to 3bet depolarized (and if we polarize Axo seems a lot better than 74s, doesnt it?)
i give him this calling range JJ-88,AQo,KQo,AQs-ATs,KQs-KTs,QJs,JTs
ok he misses the flop : he has 4% set, 15% overpaire and 30% Ahigh, 41% air but our range also miss flop so it's easy for him to raise bluff, doestn it?
you say he will flaot with Ax and small PP but he has more Ax than PP so bet turn on A seems really bad, (you say PP will fold to a bet on a A turn). While playing vs his calling range preflop and flop shouldn('t we bet turn everytinh but aces ?
it's allways a difficult spot for me because my range looks like his calling range so its hard to play
same idea for AJ5r, ok he hits harder than before :
4% set, 3%2 pair, 22% top pair and only 27% weak pair and 30% air but we also hit ery good this flop, so our fold equity increases doesnt it? (he will fold all his air and weak pairs that are 60% and if we CB we only need 33% fold
Clearly we thought that he was going to fold preflop often.
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thanks, so why 74s better than Axo (if it s out of the thread tell me), im really not used to 3bet this hand, specially oop
It isn't necessarily. We are 3 betting because we expect villain to fold a ton. Ax is better than 74s, in the sense that it has blockers to hands villain will continue with, but 74s may be better in the sense that we don't have to worry as much about domination postflop.
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Love this. Awesome format for a series. May even be better than the "argument" series. Really looking forward to the other episodes!
I have a question about round 5. Is the river a card you expect him to barrel a lot of his air on?
Otherwise I don't see how we can draw a lot of conclusions from this only check-fold. Isn't that kinda similar to say seeing an opponent 3betting a premium hand once and drawing the conclusion that he seldom 3bet-bluffs? Wouldn't you need a lot more hands before you can draw meaningful conclusions about his frequencies in a spot if he doesn't do something out of the ordinary?
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BalugaWhale
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Love this. Awesome format for a series. May even be better than the "argument" series. Really looking forward to the other episodes!
I have a question about round 5. Is the river a card you expect him to barrel a lot of his air on?
Otherwise I don't see how we can draw a lot of conclusions from this only check-fold. Isn't that kinda similar to say seeing an opponent 3betting a premium hand once and drawing the conclusion that he seldom 3bet-bluffs? Wouldn't you need a lot more hands before you can draw meaningful conclusions about his frequencies in a spot if he doesn't do something out of the ordinary?
I suppose a more accurate description of the situation is that he didn't bluff the river with a static board (i.e. the board didn't get scarier). This is useful nonetheless (though obviously it might be more surprising if he DID bluff the river on a static board, or if he DIDN'T bluff the river on a dynamic board).
Hopefully that makes sense,
Andrew
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There are 2 great things I like about this video / series.
First, presenting concepts with questions forces me to think and avoid waching the video passively. Only that is great for the learning experience! I feel I am working when listening the video!
Also, the situations provided helps a lot making adjustements in different situations. Situations identified in the video makes us think not only about a few specific situations, but how to make plans vs specific type of vilains.
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It isn't necessarily. We are 3 betting because we expect villain to fold a ton. Ax is better than 74s, in the sense that it has blockers to hands villain will continue with, but 74s may be better in the sense that we don't have to worry as much about domination postflop.
semi-grunch
TBH, I'm not 100% sure that we should be insanely worried about domination if we just give up with all non 2pair+hands which is what I imagine we're doign with 74, to an extent. When polarizing I definitely think blockers are the first priority in establishing our air range. Finally, hands like Ax allow us to have blockers to his 5bet call range as well which will help us to establish a 5bet bluff range.
I'm blowing up this thread but this video and the concept in general are both awesome! Thanks guys!!
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DntWryUllWin
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He Jedi mind tricked me into choosing a wrong answer on the question where the choices included a check/raise or a donk bet. My first thought was that c/r was far superior.
Haha I thought it seemed like you got leveled into that answer!
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