zachd2323
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Yeah there's not really any point in making a really small button raise in this line-up.
Being relatively 'deeper' by raising small would be more of an advantage if we were trying to make moves on our opponent, but against droolers / weak opponents who we just want to make fundamental mistakes by calling too lightly, it will be more advantageous for us to be able to get stacks in easier or to make bigger turn and river value bets.
Definitely agree with this. My standard here would probably be 3x. Not sure why I made it smaller, probably just not paying enough attention.
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HighOctane
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With the KQs where you flat because he's folding to your 3bets oop, do you flat AA there too for the same reason? Like I know 3 betting polarized when someone does not call oop is standard. Just wondering if that sometimes makes AA-QQ a flat for the same reason. I'm thinking once he sees you flat that in position with the top of your range (AA-QQ,AK), your 3 betting range is going to look weak so he would adjust be 4 betting, then you can start 3 betting AA again and flatting his 4 bets.
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phenom
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One of the reasons that you called pre was that you would fold too much in this spot if you folded KQ. But can we counter that by 4betting more raher than calling ? Especially OOP. Maybe better example is normal open from CO and good BTN 3bets us. The best adjustment would be to 4bet alot more than calling alot to counter us folding too much.
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Ansky
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With the KQs where you flat because he's folding to your 3bets oop, do you flat AA there too for the same reason? Like I know 3 betting polarized when someone does not call oop is standard. Just wondering if that sometimes makes AA-QQ a flat for the same reason. I'm thinking once he sees you flat that in position with the top of your range (AA-QQ,AK), your 3 betting range is going to look weak so he would adjust be 4 betting, then you can start 3 betting AA again and flatting his 4 bets.
Yes definitely, esp if there are freq. squeezers behind.
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Ansky
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What is the logic behind in min raising in HIJ ? My standard is pot from UTG/HIJ. 3x from CO. 2x from BTN.
I experimented with mr from all positions for a while at zoom, to get a sense of how much looser everyone was playing. I have since gone back to standard raise sizes and prefer it.
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Ansky
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One of the reasons that you called pre was that you would fold too much in this spot if you folded KQ. But can we counter that by 4betting more raher than calling ? Especially OOP. Maybe better example is normal open from CO and good BTN 3bets us. The best adjustment would be to 4bet alot more than calling alot to counter us folding too much.
In general yes I tend to be more aggro OOP to avoid playing too many pots like this. Stacks kinda ugly to back-raise KQs here tho.
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jesuswasajew
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Great series ansky, my favourite on this site!
My only problem about this spot is the fact that you are beating some potential value hands that a 32/12 has, and also that he donks half pot on turn. I mean, when he does that into 2 people it doesn't seem that protective to me. I think between that, and you underrepping your hand since it looks alot like AK, KQ, KJ pot control line from you, I feel you have to call with better than 2:1 odds on the river, just between potential worse value and spazzy Axs bluffs...
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phenom
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Not that owned. Why should we feel that owned?
Cause we would have done the donkey move of calling with a draw twice without odds and missing. Then feeling the urge to win the pot still and bet only to be snap called by a hand (KQ) that was not supposed to be in his polarized flop cr range. He owned us OTF by value craising lighter that we thought he could. OTT he just value towned us. OTR he max value town owned us by realizing that most of our range is missed draws and CC is best.
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B-rye88
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Cause we would have done the donkey move of calling with a draw twice without odds and missing. Then feeling the urge to win the pot still and bet only to be snap called by a hand (KQ) that was not supposed to be in his polarized flop cr range. He owned us OTF by value craising lighter that we thought he could. OTT he just value towned us. OTR he max value town owned us by realizing that most of our range is missed draws and CC is best.
Of course he's owning us when we have a draw and he's got a top pair hand. That's not the end of the world, because there will be many times where we have a top pair hand or some such against his draws / air, and it'll be fine.
Just because his hand is owning our hand does not mean his range is owning our range.
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