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Tackleberry

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We need 30% to stack off, right? I´d agree that we probably see KQ in this spot like close to 0%.

Against TT-QQ, AKss and all AQ´s we have 35%. If we exclude all AQ´s we got 3%. So, the margin for a mistake is way more on the bad side for us. We have to put in almost all combos of AQ to make this a slightly marginal (or even break-even) calling-spot for us.

Strange line by Villain for sure ... but still I think it´s a fold.

Posted about 1 year ago

direstraights

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I teamed up with 2 other players to go over this spot, and we got to the point that the bluffing frequencies at nl100/200 are high enough to justify it. we did this on stars, so it might be possible that on party/ipoker/etc it might not be correct to do so.

this is one of the spots that are depending on the player. if you are playing a 20/18 style with a 7% 3b then I can see that it might not be +ev to 4b/c with AK. but if you are playing a more loose style, it becomes +ev

so yeah, I don't think you are wrong, but I don't think you are completly correct either.

as far to the cbetting part: I'm pretty sure most people cbet Qx on the flop, and that the preflop 3bet calling range is way to tight.



IDK, I remember seeing the results of 300+ regular players in HEM at 200nl and below and none of them had a meaningful, or even any, amount of 3bet bluffs in their range for blind vs EP confrontations and even if they did have a balanced golden ration you'd still be better off calling with AKo just to play against the bottom of their range with a dominating hand and to stop&go vs the villain's AK. Granted that was circa 2010, but I don't think much has changed since then fwiw.

I typically call my entire range vs a 3bet from the blinds in EP at high(er) stakes , and I only 4bet KK+ if my opponent is the kind of reg-fish who goes "derf, derf AI with AK/QQ." It had a non-negligble impact on increasing my win rate, it feels counter intuitive but it's entirely logical when you think about it and see it for yourself.

Posted about 1 year ago

chuck651

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We need 30% to stack off, right? I´d agree that we probably see KQ in this spot like close to 0%.

Against TT-QQ, AKss and all AQ´s we have 35%. If we exclude all AQ´s we got 3%. So, the margin for a mistake is way more on the bad side for us. We have to put in almost all combos of AQ to make this a slightly marginal (or even break-even) calling-spot for us.

Strange line by Villain for sure ... but still I think it´s a fold.



+1

Posted about 1 year ago

improva

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Easy fold on the river and mark villain as a fish.

Posted about 1 year ago

CivSTAR

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pretty surprising that everyone would fold everything worse then JJ

Posted about 1 year ago

Prologion

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Easy fold on the river and mark villain as a fish.



Hehe,
At least my colouring for semifishes I have offered him^^

Posted about 1 year ago




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