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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by FoxwoodsFiend (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:03:09

Why even raise the flop? If his small blind opening range will be very wide, and his cbetting range will be very wide, why not flat, weaken your perceived range and induce barrels, both for value and as a bluff? Is this the reason why you raised, because you didn't think he'd think you raise trips on the flop thus he would play back with air? Because vs a flop raise here, I would certainly discount 7x from the BB's range, since the incentive to extract more value from my air by calling would be so high.

But I can imagine one-upping that and try to get more value from air by raising, since I'd be very tempted to 3bet a large part of my cbetting range vs a flopraise, since I see a lot of players in the BB raising air there, thinking my SB range doesn't connect a lot with the flop, and then they fold to a 3bet without giving it much more thought.

Why even raise the flop? If his small blind opening range will be very wide, and his cbetting range will be very wide, why not flat, weaken your perceived range and induce barrels, both for value and as a bluff? Is this the reason why you raised, because you didn't think he'd think you raise trips on the flop thus he would play back with air? Because vs a flop raise here, I would certainly discount 7x from the BB's range, since the incentive to extract more value from my air by calling would be so high.

But I can imagine one-upping that and try to get more value from air by raising, since I'd be very tempted to 3bet a large part of my cbetting range vs a flopraise, since I see a lot of players in the BB raising air there, thinking my SB range doesn't connect a lot with the flop, and then they fold to a 3bet without giving it much more thought.

Perceived range is villain dependent just because you me or someone else thinks one way doesn't mean everyone thinks the same way. Figure out how villain thinks and construct ranges appropriately.

in top right what do u think about over betting the turn here? is a spot i would over bet a lot, is an easy spot to balance as u can have a lot of strong hands that are somewhat vulnerable and villains range is fairly weak, u think it is more plus EV or not?

I can't think of a reasonable assumption that would make turn over bet higher EV. What assumptions are you going by when you over bet this spot a lot? Balance doesn't matter here. No one knows how we construct our turn range and it's not a spot that happens frequently so we can be unbalanced as we want to.

I can't think of a reasonable assumption that would make turn over bet higher EV. What assumptions are you going by when you over bet this spot a lot? Balance doesn't matter here. No one knows how we construct our turn range and it's not a spot that happens frequently so we can be unbalanced as we want to.

Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong, I just thought over betting the turn has more fold equity over his range, especially his medium strength hands that are ahead of ur Ace high and u can credibly rep a lot of made hands that would overbet here aswell, so u think overbet is lower EV?

Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong, I just thought over betting the turn has more fold equity over his range, especially his medium strength hands that are ahead of ur Ace high and u can credibly rep a lot of made hands that would overbet here aswell, so u think overbet is lower EV?

What you think is true but not necessarily higher EV. If villain's range is weaker on the river then we have a more profitable bluff for larger pot. When we overbet turn we can't bluff the river then so I don't think it's higher EV. You can use cardrunner EV to make sure. Also, it's a spot where it doesn't make sense to overbet with strong hands as the standard play. villain's perceived range is weaker when he didn't bet the flop -> we should bet smaller to target the marginal hands in this range. Over betting would better be used as a leveling play occasionally.

Time Link to 00:22:20

A T on a QJ8r with a backdoor flush draw board.

We have hidden open ended straight draw, back-door flush draw, and a single over-card. Can you explain why you check-fold the flop, when the Villain's range is going to be extremely wide pre flop (given that he posted but was in position and everyone folded to you two)?

If you can't profitably check-call the hand, then it seems that it would at least be the best hand to check-raise as a bluff assuming you need to have some sort of bluffing range on this board. Are you suggesting that you don't have a raising range on this board OR are you suggesting that you don't have a check-raise bluffing range?

A T on a QJ8r with a backdoor flush draw board.

We have hidden open ended straight draw, back-door flush draw, and a single over-card. Can you explain why you check-fold the flop, when the Villain's range is going to be extremely wide pre flop (given that he posted but was in position and everyone folded to you two)?

If you can't profitably check-call the hand, then it seems that it would at least be the best hand to check-raise as a bluff assuming you need to have some sort of bluffing range on this board. Are you suggesting that you don't have a raising range on this board OR are you suggesting that you don't have a check-raise bluffing range?

It doesn't matter what villain's preflop range is. It only matters what villain's cbetting range is. People don't cbet that board with a wide range. I don't have wide ranges in spots where villain's perceived range is strong. I'm pretty sure there's nothing hidden about that draw when the board is QJK8 or QJ89. Our perceived range would have many 2 pair+ hands and villain won't keep betting with a wide range.

It doesn't matter what villain's preflop range is. It only matters what villain's cbetting range is. People don't cbet that board with a wide range. I don't have wide ranges in spots where villain's perceived range is strong. I'm pretty sure there's nothing hidden about that draw when the board is QJK8 or QJ89. Our perceived range would have many 2 pair+ hands and villain won't keep betting with a wide range.

It doesn't matter what villain's preflop range is. It only matters what villain's cbetting range is. People don't cbet that board with a wide range. I don't have wide ranges in spots where villain's perceived range is strong. I'm pretty sure there's nothing hidden about that draw when the board is QJK8 or QJ89. Our perceived range would have many 2 pair+ hands and villain won't keep betting with a wide range.

So you're saying the Villain c-betting range is too strong for us to continue?

And then can you explain the difference between that hand and this one. http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/15781-Episode-Eight?seek=2985

In the link that I posted here, you call an UTG open with QJs. Flop comes KT5 rainbow. And you check-call with the oesd and backdoor flush draw.

Can you talk about the difference between the two flops: KT5r vs QJ8r? Is it that on the QJ8 that we're likely to have a lot of one-pair + gunshot type hands, so the Villain won't c-bet as much?

So you're saying the Villain c-betting range is too strong for us to continue?

And then can you explain the difference between that hand and this one. http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/15781-Episode-Eight?seek=2985

In the link that I posted here, you call an UTG open with QJs. Flop comes KT5 rainbow. And you check-call with the oesd and backdoor flush draw.

Can you talk about the difference between the two flops: KT5r vs QJ8r? Is it that on the QJ8 that we're likely to have a lot of one-pair + gunshot type hands, so the Villain won't c-bet as much?

KT5 has way less hands that connected than QJ8. Should be pretty obvious. Any 2 cards higher than 7 that's somewhat connected hits QJ8 with pair + GS. There's also less strong hands on KT5 when a 9 or A rolls off. AK is still pretty strong on AKT5 where only hand that beat you is 4 combos of QJs. On QJ89 there's like 5 times more combos of hands that beats QJ -> implied odds way higher with the other draw.

KT5 has way less hands that connected than QJ8. Should be pretty obvious. Any 2 cards higher than 7 that's somewhat connected hits QJ8 with pair + GS. There's also less strong hands on KT5 when a 9 or A rolls off. AK is still pretty strong on AKT5 where only hand that beat you is 4 combos of QJs. On QJ89 there's like 5 times more combos of hands that beats QJ.

Yeah, I hear ya. I'm just surprised that even against a strong c-betting range that we wouldn't be able to continue with an oesd and backdoor flush draw, even if the Villain will only continue on the turn with strong hands.

Yeah, I hear ya. I'm just surprised that even against a strong c-betting range that we wouldn't be able to continue with an oesd and backdoor flush draw, even if the Villain will only continue on the turn with strong hands.

How do we make a profit vs a strong range and no implied odds? don't get paid off when draw hit and can't bluff when draw miss. We're basically sticking money into the pot with equity disadvantage. Even if we're priced in to call on a individual street it doesn't mean our line will be +EV.

How do we make a profit vs a strong range and no implied odds? don't get paid off when draw hit and can't bluff when draw miss. We're basically sticking money into the pot with equity disadvantage. Even if we're priced in to call on a individual street it doesn't mean our line will be +EV.

I ran an EV calc in CR EV calculator.
Here's a link to the project file, so you can see my assumptions because I know you use the program as well.
http://dccrev.s3.amazonaws.com/oesd.stx.zip

Here's more or less the assumptions:
- Villain will bet top pair or better on the flop and OESDs
- On a scare card turn (A - 9), Villain will only bet top 2 pair or better
- On non-scare card turns (8 - 2), Villain will bet Top Pair or better.
- On all river, Villain will only bet top 2 pair or better and only call a raise with a straight or better.

Even with these nitty assumptions, it's still +EV to call. But I guess, it really depends on if he's going to pay us off with worse straights and if he'll bet top two pair on scary boards.

I ran an EV calc in CR EV calculator.
Here's a link to the project file, so you can see my assumptions because I know you use the program as well.
http://dccrev.s3.amazonaws.com/oesd.stx.zip

Here's more or less the assumptions:
- Villain will bet top pair or better on the flop and OESDs
- On a scare card turn (A - 9), Villain will only bet top 2 pair or better
- On non-scare card turns (8 - 2), Villain will bet Top Pair or better.
- On all river, Villain will only bet top 2 pair or better and only call a raise with a straight or better.

Even with these nitty assumptions, it's still +EV to call. But I guess, it really depends on if he's going to pay us off with worse straights and if he'll bet top two pair on scary boards.

So you're assuming villain never bluffs? never bets like second pair + draw on the flop? whats assumption about our line/range when villain checks or bets the turn? And lets be realistic on villain's betting range when we hit. You really think people bet even 100% of their sets on 4 straight boards?

We don't need to continue will this discussion since you use Card runner EV. Just put in reasonable assumptions about both player's ranges and tendencies. If it comes out calling is higher EV then I'm wrong and doesn't matter what anyone says.

Time Link to 00:48:24

Does the fact that Blah has a blocker to the only OESD that completes OTR weight this any more towards a river bet and how much so? Does villain peel turn with 2 overs+gutshot then call when over hits? This board looks super scary for TP4K, no?

Or does the busted FD weight us more towards a check? Definitely a very interesting spot. Curious as to how close the two decisions are (check vs. bet). I'm very inclined to bet in this spot

Note: I'm not being results oriented here. I thought a bet was prudent prior to reveal. I'm also a aggrotard so there's that...

Does the fact that Blah has a blocker to the only OESD that completes OTR weight this any more towards a river bet and how much so? Does villain peel turn with 2 overs+gutshot then call when over hits? This board looks super scary for TP4K, no?

Or does the busted FD weight us more towards a check? Definitely a very interesting spot. Curious as to how close the two decisions are (check vs. bet). I'm very inclined to bet in this spot

Note: I'm not being results oriented here. I thought a bet was prudent prior to reveal. I'm also a aggrotard so there's that...

It's not a bet give the ranges we assigned the villain in the discussion. Betting there is huge spew assuming he has a range for getting to the river that fits 70+% fold vs 3 bet.