philosophizor
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I recently became a big fan of your older videos with the central thought process concerning keeping balanced by using lines that protect our range since we hold respect for our opponents' skill levels as a default assumption. Now you're talking about ignoring the game theory and saying in some spots it's okay never to be bluffing? What happened?? lol. Great video. I prefer less tables, but I also like the idea about the recorded 12-tabling.
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On lower left board in a no-action hand, you bet pot in position on the river into A2345 single-bet pot. How often does theory say we should bet without the 6 there? If you get raised, how often are you calling? Who is more likely to have the 6 before the river action slash does that enter your thought process here?
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2 questions on this KK hand:
Firstly, why the small 3b? This is the second of two very small 3bets I saw in this video (one was a squeeze with QQ 2 players in for $12 and you SQ to $40). Given that our range here will be very value heavy wouldn't it be better to be 3betting UTG with a bigger size?
doesnt it make more sense to 3b small with a value heavy range? 3betting bigger gives villain worse odds, making him play more correctly against a strong range. also since our range is value heavy we can make cheaper 3bet bluffs this way
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I think your valuebet with JJ is too thin. Nitty regs doesnt calls with worse here I think. The only hands you are getting called by are AA,KK,QQ,(JJ) that didn't want to bet the river vs a tricky oppent.
Yeah I just strongly disagree. Are you sure he is a nitty regular? Like I said after the hand, I am pretty certain he doesn't have QQ because of his turn bet size, and if he did bet tiny on turn w/ QQ+ I am pretty sure he'd bet it again on river. I also bet 1/3rd pot, I really don't think it's that thin at all.
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Ansky
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Check raising river sounds weird. What do you expect to get called by on the river? I rather go for a smaller bet. I don't see him having a flush very often, and we have the best hand 95% of the time, but you have to set up a calling-river-check-raise range for him?
I think it's more likely that he occasionally bets river on a silly bluff or some weird ax, than he has anything that can call a river bet if I bet. I can't really have air.
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Ansky
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Would you ever consider ch/r with the AK here?
It's reasonable, I would just be afraid of him pot controlling too many hands. I think he probably folds AQ anyway though when I bet so it might be an option.
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Ansky
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2 questions on this KK hand:
Firstly, why the small 3b? This is the second of two very small 3bets I saw in this video (one was a squeeze with QQ 2 players in for $12 and you SQ to $40). Given that our range here will be very value heavy wouldn't it be better to be 3betting UTG with a bigger size?
Also, isn't checking back the flop unbalanced? What other hands would you check back a dry Kxx board in a 3b pot with? I'm cbetting here with 100% of my range and wondering if perhaps it is incorrect.
I'm very new to 6m so I'm keen to experiment with this kind of stuff. Cheers
Hey,
I think pf size is fine and somewhat standard. I think because of how difficult it is for players to flat 3bets oop profitably you don't need to 3b ip very big at all, OOP I usually go pot or bigger.
It's not really unbalanced at all to check back here. I'd sometimes check back TT-QQ, AQ, and some no sd value hands which I'd delayed cbet on turn if he checked twice. If you are ever checking back some marginal stuff here, balancing with KK is probably pretty good. There just aren't that many ways your opponent will have osmething that can call 3 streets of betting with.
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Ansky
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I recently became a big fan of your older videos with the central thought process concerning keeping balanced by using lines that protect our range since we hold respect for our opponents' skill levels as a default assumption. Now you're talking about ignoring the game theory and saying in some spots it's okay never to be bluffing? What happened?? lol. Great video. I prefer less tables, but I also like the idea about the recorded 12-tabling.
Time Link to 00:38:17
On lower left board in a no-action hand, you bet pot in position on the river into A2345 single-bet pot. How often does theory say we should bet without the 6 there? If you get raised, how often are you calling? Who is more likely to have the 6 before the river action slash does that enter your thought process here?
I certainly believe strongly in considering your range and balance before acting, but I am just saying if you know a bluff won't work, you don't have to make it for the sake of balance.
Regarding the a2345, I certainly have way more 6x hands than the villain does, so I'd assume I should bet a lot of the time. Of course that is something to consider. I'd probably not call if raised, unless it was very small? I am not sure exactly what I would do.
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Ansky
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doesnt it make more sense to 3b small with a value heavy range? 3betting bigger gives villain worse odds, making him play more correctly against a strong range. also since our range is value heavy we can make cheaper 3bet bluffs this way
I more or less agree with this, not necessarily because we will be perceived to be super strong necessarily, but just because people tend to be very tight when calling 3bets OOP.
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Ansky
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+1. I was pretty curious about that myself.
I listened to some of it just now, I am very sorry guys I didn't realize it would be so loud. Theres lots of people coming and going at my house sometimes and there were some people drinking and carrying on probably, I was locked away in the basement office grinding though.
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It's reasonable, I would just be afraid of him pot controlling too many hands. I think he probably folds AQ anyway though when I bet so it might be an option.
Yeah that makes sense. I just thought since you said he's probably folding AQ to a 2nd barrel, ch/r might make sense because you give him a chance to b/f with AQ and he's probably going to b/c his sets anyway.
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