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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by threads13 (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:16:51

Why are you folding JJ to the fishy guy's 40BB shove? I'm fist-pump getting it in there. He's gonna show up with 99-QQ AQ/AK so often and probably not want to "waste" AA-KK by shoving so large. Not to mention whatever random spazzes he could have. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, he shoves his entire value range and absolutely no spazzes/random shoves with 66. Against 99+/AQ+ you're still ahead of that range. Once you factor in sometimes he'll shove stuff like AJ, A10s, 88, 77 or whatever spazzes and that most people will probably raise small to induce/not scare away with AA/KK it becomes more of a call. Agree/Disagree?

Why are you folding JJ to the fishy guy's 40BB shove? I'm fist-pump getting it in there. He's gonna show up with 99-QQ AQ/AK so often and probably not want to "waste" AA-KK by shoving so large. Not to mention whatever random spazzes he could have. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, he shoves his entire value range and absolutely no spazzes/random shoves with 66. Against 99+/AQ+ you're still ahead of that range. Once you factor in sometimes he'll shove stuff like AJ, A10s, 88, 77 or whatever spazzes and that most people will probably raise small to induce/not scare away with AA/KK it becomes more of a call. Agree/Disagree?

Yeah, that might be a little nitty. I wouldn't go much worse than that hand though. The other player is in the pot and he does cut into our equity a bit there. He probably hurts us more than he helps us as he'll probably play pretty well with his range here, thus cutting into our EV.

Time Link to 00:10:27

Would you value bet A8 here on T3?

Time Link to 00:13:15

T4: I would consider three betting here w/ the K9s; even if called in two spots it's not particularly hard to play, especially against fishy, and if 4bet it's an easy muck. I think we get enough folds to be profitable.

Time Link to 00:15:46

Feel free to drag interesting hands over; we're not liable to yell at you for giving us more things to look at / talk about...

Time Link to 00:17:52

I don't think a 8% 3bet is low enough that you can fold JJ here when he shoves sb vs btn.

Time Link to 00:21:44

T2: I 3b/call 99 here all day long at this table; I'd be checking his positional stats first but I think between our equity against his shoving range and the amount of folds we get we're doing fine.

This could change with reads, but is pretty standard against most SSer's I've been playing with at 25nl.

Time Link to 00:25:10

Given the reads you have on his postflop play and cbetting in general I don't think I'd fault you for calling there. Probably pretty thin either way though, and if he's going to fold enough pre it might be better to keep it simple and avoid making errors where one of you gets on the wrong level and you lose a bunch of money.

Time Link to 00:25:44

I really disagree with peoples tendency to do this. We're going to end up in nasty spots either way because either way we're going to be out of position, but it's not as if because we are now 200bb deep we are suddenly playing another game; it's still poker, you're both still going to have ranges, and all your hand reading and ranging skills will still come into play.

The fact that he is going to call a whole bunch because you are deep means to me that you should be 3betting a wider range of hands, because he's going to have that many more hands that will call bets on future streets.

And really, if you're worried about being put in nasty spots with queens, i'd say being OOP against a UTG range 200bb deep in a single raised pot without initiative is probably as bad as it's ever going to get.

Time Link to 00:35:15

I think this is closer than most people give it credit for in a common re-steal spot. I would still go ahead and call, but getting 20:1 implied co vs btn is often not enough.

Would you mind please telling us what your hud numbers stand for? Ty and ty for the vid

Would you value bet A8 here on T3?

Yeah, likely two streets.

Would you mind please telling us what your hud numbers stand for? Ty and ty for the vid

VPIP/PFR/Hands
Flop c-bet/Fold to flop c-bet/Fold to steal
3-bet/squeeze/fold to 3-bet

I really disagree with peoples tendency to do this. We're going to end up in nasty spots either way because either way we're going to be out of position, but it's not as if because we are now 200bb deep we are suddenly playing another game; it's still poker, you're both still going to have ranges, and all your hand reading and ranging skills will still come into play.

The fact that he is going to call a whole bunch because you are deep means to me that you should be 3betting a wider range of hands, because he's going to have that many more hands that will call bets on future streets.

And really, if you're worried about being put in nasty spots with queens, i'd say being OOP against a UTG range 200bb deep in a single raised pot without initiative is probably as bad as it's ever going to get.

I think I probably should have 3bet here, but a lot of the hands that he will start calling with he's make a +EV call with unless I start 3-betting with more big cards because I'll be able to take the pot down a lot vs his set mining pairs. This cuts his implied odds, as well. If you're going to be playing vs a tough player it's going to be hard for you to 3-bet a lot when you're deep.

So I mostly agree with what you've said, but I disagree with your last paragraph. You're over-simplifying it. Playing in a 3b pot that is much bigger could absolutely be a worse situation for you even if you have the initiative. I don't feel that I would be here, so it doesn't apply (although I did just flat QQ so maybe I'm giving myself too much credit). When you flat in a single raised pot the SPR is so big that the fact that you're deep doesn't come into play as much as if you 3-bet. I don't you can simplify it to the point of "it's worse to not have the initiative this deep so you should 3-bet". You have to pick which is higher EV and in this case I think 3-betting was, but the initiative is really not a big part of the reason why.

T4: I would consider three betting here w/ the K9s; even if called in two spots it's not particularly hard to play, especially against fishy, and if 4bet it's an easy muck. I think we get enough folds to be profitable.

Certainly could. I think not knowing anything about the player I decided to let it go for now. It's not something I would do all the time anyways so it's ok to let it go.