Befeltingu
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With the AKs hand on the top left is that a board that you generally fire 1 or 2 barrels and give up unless you improve on the river?
I generally would fire 1 or 3 barrles here just because I think because of the blank that came on the turn you are going to get some peels with a lot of the medium PP that flatted the flop. It depends on my opponents 3 bet calling range but it seems like a good board to go 1 or 3.
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blah234
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With the AKs hand on the top left is that a board that you generally fire 1 or 2 barrels and give up unless you improve on the river?
I generally would fire 1 or 3 barrles here just because I think because of the blank that came on the turn you are going to get some peels with a lot of the medium PP that flatted the flop. It depends on my opponents 3 bet calling range but it seems like a good board to go 1 or 3.
why would people flat a lot of medium pp on the flop? You expect most people to flat 88 on Q9x? This spot is hightly dependent on people's 3 bet calling range but I almost never fire 3 on Q high boards without good equity in 3 bet pots assuming reasonable calling ranges.
Firing how many barrel should almost always be villain dependent. I fired 2 here because this guy seem to call flop wide and fold to turn bet alot.
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on the 99 hand in the bottom left what do you think about the idea of betting the river somewhat large like 65-75 into 90? I just dont like taking a c/c then c/f a river like this after the turn is checked through because it would be really hard for you to have any bluffs once you bet this river and so I would expect him to fold most or all of his Jx hands. It also doesnt give him a chance to bluff which generally you want people to do but not if ur just planning on C/f.
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Befeltingu
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Befeltingu
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why would people flat a lot of medium pp on the flop? You expect most people to flat 88 on Q9x? This spot is hightly dependent on people's 3 bet calling range but I almost never fire 3 on Q high boards without good equity in 3 bet pots assuming reasonable calling ranges.
Firing how many barrel should almost always be villain dependent. I fired 2 here because this guy seem to call flop wide and fold to turn bet alot.
Well I guess this spot is really dependent on the villians 3 bet calling range and what he is 4 betting but ya I think the turn card is one that Im going to get peeled with a lot of marginal holdings. I think there are alot of ppl that call twice with 88,9x, and TT (if they dont 4 bet it). I play 200nl though and I think that in general a 1 or 3 strategy has been better than firing 2 unless I have a read like you said that he calls flops and folds lots a turns.
I think my first statement was a little off. lots of medium PP is probably wrong but just lots of marginal hands that will fold by the river. idk maybe i am a spew monkey
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Befeltingu
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Also if your strategy is to bet bet then c/f all bluffs then calling twice with marginal hands seems like a perfectly good counter strategy and then just fold to all of your river jams since you wont have hardly any bluffs in your range. Although he probably isnt thinking that
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on bottom left. What is your reasoning for 2.5x open SB v BB? I generally pot it since you will be OOP so same reasoning for Potting it UTG.
Get asked this in every vid I make. Raising small to exploit until someone gives you a reason to not want to raise a wide range. The smaller you raise the less often you need to win the pot to be +EV -> can have a wider range.
Potting it OOP makes no sense unless you range is actually tigher because it doesn't mask your wide preflop range(your PFR shows on villain's HUD) if you have one thus making it bigger is -EV since you win the pot LESS OFTEN and people win MORE MONEY from you when they play back unless of course your actual range is tigher.
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on the 99 hand in the bottom left what do you think about the idea of betting the river somewhat large like 65-75 into 90? I just dont like taking a c/c then c/f a river like this after the turn is checked through because it would be really hard for you to have any bluffs once you bet this river and so I would expect him to fold most or all of his Jx hands. It also doesnt give him a chance to bluff which generally you want people to do but not if ur just planning on C/f.
c/c turn donk bet river makes no sense. You can use it as a leveling line vs people but should never be your standard play vs anyone who has a clue about hand reading. What do we rep when you take that line?
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Also if your strategy is to bet bet then c/f all bluffs then calling twice with marginal hands seems like a perfectly good counter strategy and then just fold to all of your river jams since you wont have hardly any bluffs in your range. Although he probably isnt thinking that
Our strategy should be different vs everyone. Vs that particular villain I decided that b/b/cf is the highest EV line but doesn't mean it's the highest EV line vs next player. There are no standard way to play any hands.
If our assumption changes so we no longer think that's the highest EV line then we adjust.
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if the turn were a T or a Jack you say you would bet. Would that be with the intention of 3barreling a lot of rivers too? Don't those cards hit a lot of his floating range like AJ, JThh, KJhh, QJhh, KQhh, giving them either pairs or straightdraws + overs? And you don't expect him to fold like 77 or 65s on a Ten or Jack turn right?
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c/c turn donk bet river makes no sense. You can use it as a leveling line vs people but should never be your standard play vs anyone who has a clue about hand reading. What do we rep when you take that line?
The turn was checked through
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Get asked this in every vid I make. Raising small to exploit until someone gives you a reason to not want to raise a wide range. The smaller you raise the less often you need to win the pot to be +EV -> can have a wider range.
Potting it OOP makes no sense unless you range is actually tigher because it doesn't mask your wide preflop range(your PFR shows on villain's HUD) if you have one thus making it bigger is -EV since you win the pot LESS OFTEN and people win MORE MONEY from you when they play back unless of course your actual range is tigher.
Ok well then just min raise from every position.
Raising Pot UTG makes the pot bigger and therefore takes away from peoples positional advantage and discourages them from flatting you IPO a lot. IF you min raise utg your going to be playing OOP a lot and not getting a lot of money in pre with value hands. So potting OOP makes sense.
from the SB it makes a little more sense to make it small like you said and if someone is folding a lot then it seems great to me but I would assume that you just get flatted a lot.
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Our strategy should be different vs everyone. Vs that particular villain I decided that b/b/cf is the highest EV line but doesn't mean it's the highest EV line vs next player. There are no standard way to play any hands.
If our assumption changes so we no longer think that's the highest EV line then we adjust.
Yup sounds reasonable
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