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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by chipchucker5 (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:18:28

getting him to fold six high doesn't seem like a huge accomplishment. i guess i don't have a problem with the idea here (and it's hard if not impossible to put you on a logical bluff) but i wonder what hands he really is b/f

Time Link to 00:37:22

as far as GTO, the hands you should look to turn into bluffs shouldn't be those with the lowest absolute value, but instead those with the most significant blocker value. J9s, for instance, blocks some AJ. it also blocks some of his thinner vbets (KJ, etc). both of these hands are likely doing the same versus his value range, but the inclusion of certain cards in your holding will ever so slightly affect the ratio of bluffs: value for him.

when looking to purely bluffcatch (and not jam) any hand containing clubs or other significant parts of his barreling range (78, etc) is worse since it slightly weights his range more toward value hands.

The JTs c/shove on the river is pretty bad imo, any value hand you have should be betting the river itself as he will almost always ck back his marginal showdown value hands. We dont care he almost surely dont have a strong hand, any regular knows that and many regs will call you super light on that river c/shove.

getting him to fold six high doesn't seem like a huge accomplishment. i guess i don't have a problem with the idea here (and it's hard if not impossible to put you on a logical bluff) but i wonder what hands he really is b/f

really disagree about getting him to fold 64s or w/e not being a good thing. i mean, yeah in a vacuum, getting him to fold 64s isn't forcing him into a mistake, so FTOP wise he's making money when he folds there. however, when Qc turns and he barrels, we just can't profitably call down w/ KJ. he's going to end up bluffing w/ better hands waaaay too often here imo (i.e. AK/AJ, A2/A3, K2s, K3s, 63s etc etc). so w/ 64s, he's going to be forcing US into a mistake really often on river. so calling turn w/ KJ seems pretty bad given that we're folding river to a lot of hands that would likely fold to a turn c/r.

as far as GTO, the hands you should look to turn into bluffs shouldn't be those with the lowest absolute value, but instead those with the most significant blocker value. J9s, for instance, blocks some AJ. it also blocks some of his thinner vbets (KJ, etc). both of these hands are likely doing the same versus his value range, but the inclusion of certain cards in your holding will ever so slightly affect the ratio of bluffs: value for him.

when looking to purely bluffcatch (and not jam) any hand containing clubs or other significant parts of his barreling range (78, etc) is worse since it slightly weights his range more toward value hands.

nice post terp

really disagree about getting him to fold 64s or w/e not being a good thing. i mean, yeah in a vacuum, getting him to fold 64s isn't forcing him into a mistake, so FTOP wise he's making money when he folds there. however, when Qc turns and he barrels, we just can't profitably call down w/ KJ. he's going to end up bluffing w/ better hands waaaay too often here imo (i.e. AK/AJ, A2/A3, K2s, K3s, 63s etc etc). so w/ 64s, he's going to be forcing US into a mistake really often on river. so calling turn w/ KJ seems pretty bad given that we're folding river to a lot of hands that would likely fold to a turn c/r.

sure. i'm not suggesting we call down with K high. just saying that if his barrel range is that wide this is logically straightforward.

that said, i recognize it's uncommon and for most people this is a pretty cool and new spot that they probably never have tried. so it's probably quite good for people to see this and think about it instead of just going 'god he always 3bets and i keep calling but missing the flop and i don't rep anything if i c/r flop blah blah'

The JTs c/shove on the river is pretty bad imo, any value hand you have should be betting the river itself as he will almost always ck back his marginal showdown value hands. We dont care he almost surely dont have a strong hand, any regular knows that and many regs will call you super light on that river c/shove.

totally disagree. come on man this is sexy. of course it matters that he can't be that strong here. he gets to the river w/ A7/A8 really often, A3s sometimes (that's like 35 combos right there dude) and bets those like always. he can also be going for thin value w/ like TT/JJ. and i mean, he's a bumhunty 50bb reg..he's not DrGiggy. he doesn't pride himself on making great plays and owning his opponents..he's gonna be searching the lobby at a handful of different stakes looking for tables w/ fish. so he's not all that interested in leveling wars w/ the good regs in these games.

as far as me being able to have a credible perceived range, im really not worried about that. anyone that plays w/ me regularly knows that i check to induce all the time. i know this is a unique situation, but people aren't supercomputers..he only has a certain amt of time to think this through. so he'll draw on past experiences so i think it's very likely he thinks something along the lines of "dammit, ive seen chipchucker check to induce bluffs like 3608394582798 times...grrrr i fold."

this concept applies to other situations/dynamics as well. for example, say someone has seen you bet 1/4 pot for value on the river in some random hand and you know that he remembers this. it's not like you have to find an exact situation to be able to use that info to your advantage. what will be in his head is "this guy is capable of betting tiny for value." so in the future you should be able to work in some small bets as a bluff..whether that be on the river when checked to in single raised pot, 2 barreling in a 3b pot, or whatever.

so even if he calls w/ TT/JJ and QT (the rare times he plays that this way) it's still gonna be a hugely profitable bluff cause that's only like 9 combos effective. combine that w/ 2 combos of Q9s and 3 of 99 and that gives us 14 combos total. then there's about 35 combos possible of Ax that have a gutter or OESD on turn..plus sometimes he checks back like AT/AJ/AK and peels one on turn (figuring I can have a bunch of FDs, or some gutters/OESDs and that he'll just call once and fold river unimproved).

so since he has 14 combos that can potentially call, we need to get him to fold about 22 combos to break even on the bluff. given the fact that he can potentially get to the river w/ 40 combos+ of Ax, this seems like a pretty clear shove.

Except most of the times he cks back Ax, especially the big ones, and most regulars betting range on that river is value oriented. Sure against that particular guy hes a weaker player (that certainly dont think "dammit, ive seen chipchucker check to induce bluffs like 3608394582798 times...grrrr i fold." ) and it may be a very good play but I was talking more about this spot against decent regulars. And those people may be thinking "dammit, ive seen chipchucker check to induce bluffs like 3608394582798 times...grrrr i fold." but prolly not here just because in your shoes betting all value looks far superior than c/shoving (and u didnt bluff the riv just cuz you thought u were getting called too often) so you should be carefull who you doing that shit against cuz when regular decide to bet here whatever thin value they have, well, they DO call a lot.

so you should be carefull who you doing that shit against cuz when regular decide to bet here whatever thin value they have, well, they DO call a lot.

so you think people are bet/calling w/ A high here? come onnnnn nobody does that..and they basically have to be for this to be a bad shove.

i do agree w/ you as far as if a decent reg bets TT/JJ there, there's a decent chance they end up calling for the reasons you stated. and i did say in the vid that i thought he'd fold pretty quickly w/ TT/JJ even QT, but ive been convinced otherwise. but still there's too much A high that he's b/fing here for us to not be able to shove imo. if you're still not convinced i can break down the math further..just lmk.

i think the best part about this chip is that you're opening a lot of people's eyes to bluff spots they had never considered, which is fantastic. on top of that, of course, you're willing to show the reasoning, which i hope will convince a lot of unl/ssnl guys that they likely are missing all kinds of awesome spots to win pots they had been surrendering.

so you think people are bet/calling w/ A high here? come onnnnn nobody does that..and they basically have to be for this to be a bad shove.

i do agree w/ you as far as if a decent reg bets TT/JJ there, there's a decent chance they end up calling for the reasons you stated. and i did say in the vid that i thought he'd fold pretty quickly w/ TT/JJ even QT, but ive been convinced otherwise. but still there's too much A high that he's b/fing here for us to not be able to shove imo. if you're still not convinced i can break down the math further..just lmk.

As I said people usually ck back A hi here and sure nobody bet/calls A hi but regulars betting range is value oriented so they can find thin calls with whatever pair they have.

Time Link to 00:06:38

What do you expect him to do with his Toppair hands? I think, there are alot uf Jx combos in his btn calling range and i really dont know if he is going to fold his toppair hands against this line, because its so weird. So i suppose they will call the raise and reevaluate river. And the call is not bad, since he will also call with his nuts range. So we have to c/f all the nonspade rivers if he calls the turn raise?

Time Link to 00:13:47

I dont like this c/r. The bottom of his range (which is larger thant the top) will check back the river and the top of his range like Qx, TT,JJ will valuebet thin.

And if you have a valuehand here, you would certainly just bet the river and not c/ring, because he would checkback to often. Dont you think he's a thinking player? Maybe im just leveling myself and i should trust on your argument "people don't c/r rivers as bluff"

Wow what a great video. Some of the points you brought up can definitely translate into live play . Thank you

What do you expect him to do with his Toppair hands? I think, there are alot uf Jx combos in his btn calling range and i really dont know if he is going to fold his toppair hands against this line, because its so weird. So i suppose they will call the raise and reevaluate river. And the call is not bad, since he will also call with his nuts range. So we have to c/f all the nonspade rivers if he calls the turn raise?

I expect him to call turn fairly often w/ his Jx hands, and he'll fold the times he doesn't call. If I had to guess, I'd guess he folds like 20-25% of the time. Yeah checking seems best on most non spade rivers, although I'd bluff a Ko. When we check, we also give ourselves a chance to possibly soul read him and bluff catch if he gives off something w/ his timing or betsizing.