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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by chipchucker5 (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:31:59

Hi chipchucker - thanks for the vid. When you c/shove the river with the 77 what are you trying to represent? I can't think of any hand I would play this way other than AJ (and I'm 3betting that pre a large % too).

Thanks in advance.

Time Link to 00:15:17

Great to have you back.

I have a question about the JTs hand where you crai on the river.
After villain calls your turn bet, he probably has some weak made hand. Doesn't that mean you would always bet your strong hands again on the river so he can't check back those weak hands? If villain thinks this way, he might be inclined to call.

Also, the hands have the same educational value when you actually run into the nuts. No need to only pick winners

Time Link to 00:05:33

If the turn was say Ks do you think its best to double barrel ? our value range expanded , its another overcard to villains bluffcatchers and he has a perceived 3rd barrel to fear. Going away from this hand , in general would you say its better to go for check raise on a perceived blank card rather than a scarecard ?

Time Link to 00:07:26

what do you expect him to do with his nutted hands (8x, 88, 66 etc) when you x/r the turn? call or ship?

hand 1 with AQ: are there any non-spade rivers we bet if he calls turn? Would you be value betting a river ace or is that too thin?

Hi chipchucker - thanks for the vid. When you c/shove the river with the 77 what are you trying to represent? I can't think of any hand I would play this way other than AJ (and I'm 3betting that pre a large % too).

Thanks in advance.

Yeah, you're right that we're not repping a ton of value hands here..there are some tho. Like you said, AJ which I also 3b a good amt of the time pre..but it's also a great hand to have in ur flatting range. The idea being that you're at the "top of your range" as far as the hands you're flatting w/ pf which can def work to your advantage.

So in addition to AJ, we can have A3s, A6s, 33, 66, 44..which admittedly isn't a ton of hands..there are 22 combos possible. BUT..when villain gets c/rd on the river here, he has to put us on a made hand turning into a bluff since I never play FDs like this..therefore we have no other bluffing range that gets to the river. So the "made hands turned into bluffs" that he has to choose from are basically 55/65s/76s/77/88 (and I 3b the SCs really often pf). So that's 24 combos possible, and like I said, I'm 3betting the SCs pf a good amt, so call it 21 combos to choose from..and say my river bluffing freq w/ them is like 25% (which is kinda high). That means we have about 5 combos of bluffs on this river.

So let's talk some game theory. We need to have 12 combos of value hands to put our opponent in a situation of "indifference" meaning that folding and calling are both neutral EV. I came up w/ this by first calculating pot odds (which equate to villain needing to be good 29% of the time on river), so if our goal was to be unexploitable, we would want to be bluffing exactly 29% of the time. So 5/0.29 = 17.24 which is the total # of combos we need to get to..so that would be 5 combos of bluffs and 12.24 combos of value hands.

So simply put, we'd need to take this line roughly half the time w/ AJ, 66, etc to be balanced in this spot, which I think is very reasonable given that the flop is very dry and villain has a very wide range pf since he opened OTB. So there's not much of an incentive to c/r our big hands since he's just gonna have K2s, T8o, Q8s etc etc really often and will just snap fold to our c/r. Whereas if we c/c, we give him a very good reason to barrel because like I said in the vid, our c/c range on this flop is very weak..so he'll be very inclined to barrel us w/ lots of his air.

I know that was kind of a lot, so lmk if you have any further questions about that or if you'd like clarification on anything.

Edit: Obv villain doesn't go through all of that shit in game. Basically I think his in game thought process is something along the lines of "dammit, he never has a whiffed FD, 77/88 fold sometimes on turn..he's not repping a ton for value but he also doesn't have a ton of potential bluffs..ugggghhh people don't c/r bluff the river very often, ok i fold."

Great to have you back.

I have a question about the JTs hand where you crai on the river.
After villain calls your turn bet, he probably has some weak made hand. Doesn't that mean you would always bet your strong hands again on the river so he can't check back those weak hands? If villain thinks this way, he might be inclined to call.

I know what you're saying but there's just no way villain knows my game that well. Even if he's inclined to think that, the fact that he has soooo few legit strong hands here is just overwhelmingly compelling imo. He seriously has to go for really thin value w/ like TT and then decide that I'm making some suicidal bluff and go for the superman hero call. The big incentive for him to fold is that I get to the river w/ tons of legit strong hands and that people don't c/r bluff rivers that often in general..yet

Also, the hands have the same educational value when you actually run into the nuts. No need to only pick winners

What if I NEVER lose!!

If the turn was say Ks do you think its best to double barrel ? our value range expanded , its another overcard to villains bluffcatchers and he has a perceived 3rd barrel to fear. Going away from this hand , in general would you say its better to go for check raise on a perceived blank card rather than a scarecard ?

This is still something I'm experimenting with, so not 100% sure how people are going to respond just yet. But I believe the K is a better card to just go ahead and bet. Part of the reason being that he won't put us on air when we check the K turn..since it's such a good card to barrel the times we do have air. A big reason we get bets out of like his whole range on this turn, is that we're very credibly repping that we're just gonna c/f..whereas on a K turn, I think he puts us on Jx/QQish when we check turn and therefore may be inclined to take a free card w/ draws and just try to showdown 66/77 etc.

what do you expect him to do with his nutted hands (8x, 88, 66 etc) when you x/r the turn? call or ship?

I actually expect him to reraise small w/ his nutted hands..not necessarily bare trips tho since I'm repping nuts or nothing basically. He SHOULD just be flatting w/ his big hands, since like I said I either have a huge hand or air as far as my "perceived range" goes. So if I have A8, he's gonna stack me anyway w/ 66, so he should just flat and let me spazz if I do happen to have air. However, just because he should do that doesn't mean he actually will. And like I said before, I'm still kinda experimenting w/ spots like this so still gathering research on how people respond w/ various hands. He tank/folded so I'm actually somewhat confident that he folded something fairly decent like Jx or T9 or something.

hand 1 with AQ: are there any non-spade rivers we bet if he calls turn? Would you be value betting a river ace or is that too thin?

Yes I'd be betting Ax on the river. The vacuum play is def to bet small there for value, since villain's most likely hands that gets to the river are JTs, QJ, KJ. And if we're bluffing, we obv want to be betting bigger since we're trying to discourage "curiosity calls." As far as balance goes, I wouldn't be too concerned at this point because it's really not a spot that comes up often among regs yet. Although, there's a chance that betting small actually looks the strongest since we're like begging for a call or w/e, so if I had to pick one betsize, I'd go w/ betting on the smaller side w/ my whole range and just see how people are responding.

I actually expect him to reraise small w/ his nutted hands..not necessarily bare trips tho since I'm repping nuts or nothing basically. He SHOULD just be flatting w/ his big hands, since like I said I either have a huge hand or air as far as my "perceived range" goes. So if I have A8, he's gonna stack me anyway w/ 66, so he should just flat and let me spazz if I do happen to have air. However, just because he should do that doesn't mean he actually will. And like I said before, I'm still kinda experimenting w/ spots like this so still gathering research on how people respond w/ various hands. He tank/folded so I'm actually somewhat confident that he folded something fairly decent like Jx or T9 or something.

so if he shipped the turn do you consider hero calling with your AQ high + FD?

so if he shipped the turn do you consider hero calling with your AQ high + FD?

yeah, im gonna be calling there. given the fact that im taking kind of a goofy/sketchy line, there's too much likelihood that he's just gonna be like "fuck this guy I'm all in" particularly given my image and the fact that i tilt people into doing weird shit all the time haha. it's also good for me to get to showdown and see what people are showing up with in these spots so i can be more informed in the future.

RIGGED IMO!
For future stuff just use www.random.org for drawings and stuff and all things random.

RIGGED IMO!
For future stuff just use www.random.org for drawings and stuff and all things random.

Oh nice thanks! Will prob end up using that in the future because I anticipate some more silly self-promotional shenanigans (boom ship the alliteration)!

Yeah, def rigged..Fender runs like god obv.