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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Hielko (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:15:27

with 44 Im rather wondering why you didn't check raise the flop. If you check call and he has pretty much anything other than top pair I expect him to slow down on the turn especially if a club hits. Unless of course he has top pair in which he did I think a check raise would have got more value and bet turn bet river for value. What do you think?

with 44 Im rather wondering why you didn't check raise the flop. If you check call and he has pretty much anything other than top pair I expect him to slow down on the turn especially if a club hits. Unless of course he has top pair in which he did I think a check raise would have got more value and bet turn bet river for value. What do you think?

Check/raising is obviously fine as well, but having sets in my range here is also really nice. EV-wise I don't think the difference between the two options are big in this spot. Most hands that will give action against the check/raise will continue valuebetting or bluffing if I check/call as well. And you do have some deception value if you slowplay a set on a flushdraw board.

At the same time it's also important to think about how your general strategy looks like in this spot, and how your range looks like. A big part of a check/call range here is often weak pairs, draws and A-high. Part of that range you might want to turn in a bluff on the turn/river, so having actually real hands in your range as well is good. Also because it makes it harder for villain to bluff you of the weak part of your range.

I am obvious going to be the one to bring up controversial spots ;p

The A4s hand when you overbet jam the turn....do you ever expect them to fold a Kx?
Draws are obviously folding here. But what makes you so certain that they can fold top pair when your line looks more like a draw/bluff than for value?

I am obvious going to be the one to bring up controversial spots ;p

The A4s hand when you overbet jam the turn....do you ever expect them to fold a Kx?
Draws are obviously folding here. But what makes you so certain that they can fold top pair when your line looks more like a draw/bluff than for value?

I'm obviously expecting him to fold a king, and really; you think my line looks like a (semi)bluff? You must be playing in crazy games to see bluffs here.

I'm obviously expecting him to fold a king, and really; you think my line looks like a (semi)bluff? You must be playing in crazy games to see bluffs here.

Im hugely confused now.

What line does this look like then? If you play value hands like this...but you expect him to fold top pairs (Their most likely holdings) ....then what do you get value from??? Seems contradictory.

Secondly, why cant this be a semi bluff? If you expect them to fold a Kx...then surely its a great semi-bluff spot?

NOTE: I changed my reply btw

Im hugely confused now.

What line does this look like then? If you play value hands like this...but you expect him to fold top pairs (Their most likely holdings) ....then what do you get value from??? Seems contradictory.

Not really, this is a spot were you really don't have another option of playing a value hand. Throwing money in this pot is always going to look strong, but slowplaying is not a good option because you are out of position and someone is going to have a flushdraw. And even if that draw misses on the turn it's hard to take a line that gets money in and keeps your hand strength hidden.

Secondly, why cant this be a semi bluff? If you expect them to fold a Kx...then surely its a great semi-bluff spot?

Your logic here doesn't add up. You are using my expection of him folding, as an argument that he should expect a semi bluff and call?!

Besides that, unless you consider my hand to be a semi-bluff as well, getting here on the turn with a more traditional semi-bluff such as a flushdraw is probably not a real good idea. The problem is that very often you are going to see a shove on the flop or folds, making it a waste of a flushdraw to try to semi-bluff.

Time Link to 00:11:26

Great 2nd part so far^^

One question @ this hand:
Was your plan to stab once on the turn or to stab here and also bet the river vs. his potcontroled range?
The thing is i would be worrying to stab here only once b/c this guy is cbetting basically always and now he is suddenly checking back.
though you are 3-way with a fish involved, the board is so dry and hence anyways good to cbet air on...
His checkback looks here b/c of his tendencies and the boardtexture imo pretty "unairish".

Srsly, this is the worst video i have ever seen, and first time commenting on one. I have seen proberly 6-700 vids.

Come on DC, where are the times where some of the best mid/high stakes players made vids all the time? Ansky, whitelime, etc. Is this site dead?

There was NO educational material in this video, it was 40 mins of iso-raising some fishes, and a bunch of bad plays. Floating in bad spots, valuecutting in bad spots (yeah, the AK bet is not profitable, he snap checks meaning his got a pocket pair or A high the majority of the time, and i really dont think he calls with AJ, so that makes value from AQ(sometimes) and valuecutting against all pocket pairs) etc.

Last time I renew my membership in here, and use 30 dollars on this even though I play 2/4-5/10 for a living.

Btw. no offense Hielko, I know you are a grinding winning player, but I really think this is bad.

Come on DC, where are the times where some of the best mid/high stakes players made vids all the time? Ansky, whitelime, etc. Is this site dead?

Not at all. New season starts Monday, we will have a video out on Sunday going over the content, you will be happy to know what is in store.

Srsly, this is the worst video i have ever seen, and first time commenting on one. I have seen proberly 6-700 vids.

There was NO educational material in this video, it was 40 mins of iso-raising some fishes, and a bunch of bad plays. Floating in bad spots, valuecutting in bad spots (yeah, the AK bet is not profitable, he snap checks meaning his got a pocket pair or A high the majority of the time, and i really dont think he calls with AJ, so that makes value from AQ(sometimes) and valuecutting against all pocket pairs) etc.

Could you give more feed back and time stamps to which hands you felt were bad float spots or bad value cuts and why?

Adding time links would be easiest for others to discuss them as well. Watch this short video on how to leave a time link.

That will be much easier for the coaches to find the hand and answer your questions, thanks.

Btw. no offense Hielko, I know you are a grinding winning player, but I really think this is bad.

We'd love to hear the feedback to where you think Hielko misplayed, hopefully there is something that all of us can learn from it.

Thank you,
Joe

Great 2nd part so far^^

One question @ this hand:
Was your plan to stab once on the turn or to stab here and also bet the river vs. his potcontroled range?
The thing is i would be worrying to stab here only once b/c this guy is cbetting basically always and now he is suddenly checking back.
though you are 3-way with a fish involved, the board is so dry and hence anyways good to cbet air on...
His checkback looks here b/c of his tendencies and the boardtexture imo pretty "unairish".

I wouldn't be really tempted to continue bluffing, but don't think that him checking back here is telling us that he has a hand. If it would be heads up I'd totally agree with you, but here odds are that he simply doesn't have anything and didn't want to cbet multiway with a fish.

Srsly, this is the worst video i have ever seen, and first time commenting on one. I have seen proberly 6-700 vids.

I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like the video. I'm not perfect, and I'm not Ansky or Whitelime, but I'd like to think that I played reasonable solid in this vid. But if you disagree, happy to discuss it; maybe we can both learn something.

Not really, this is a spot were you really don't have another option of playing a value hand. Throwing money in this pot is always going to look strong, but slowplaying is not a good option because you are out of position and someone is going to have a flushdraw. And even if that draw misses on the turn it's hard to take a line that gets money in and keeps your hand strength hidden.

I agree overbet shoving looks uber strong, especially into 2 players. Im just not sure if a good thinking player would fold top pair here. Id be more inclined to fold to a pot size bet than an overbet. Looks suspicious.

Your logic here doesn't add up. You are using my expection of him folding, as an argument that he should expect a semi bluff and call?!

Sorry, i didnt explain myself properly. I mean, originally you said you expect players to fold a Kx hand here. Therefore, if we are semi-bluffing, then overbet shoving the turn is a great play as we get them to fold top pair...make any more sense? I do think we are both going round in circles though. Using each others arguments to make one point redundant.

Fwiw, i thought the video was good. Id ignore the guy above who just wants to hear the popular 'celebrities' of DC talking. Hielko is a proven winner in todays games, therefore you should take all the advice from him you can get.

Mike

I agree overbet shoving looks uber strong, especially into 2 players. Im just not sure if a good thinking player would fold top pair here. Id be more inclined to fold to a pot size bet than an overbet. Looks suspicious.

Given the stacksize and the potsize I think it's the only betsize that makes sense. A small bet is not an option with the flushdraw out there, and a bet closer to pot is effectively just the allin since it would just leave something like a 1/5 pot bet for the river.

Fwiw, i thought the video was good.

Thanks Mike!

I Id be more inclined to fold to a pot size bet than an overbet. Looks suspicious.


Fwiw, i thought the video was good. Id ignore the guy above who just wants to hear the popular 'celebrities' of DC talking. Hielko is a proven winner in todays games, therefore you should take all the advice from him you can get.

Mike

Have you noticed the SPR on the turn? An Overbet is here imo the only reasonable betsize - betting here 3/4-quarters or potsize is kinda fishy.
The only alternative would be imo to bet here kinda small (~half PS) to have ~effectively half PS left for a possible riverplay.
But being OOP 3-way, i would for sure prefer here to slightly overjam my whole range on the turh should I decide to bet. Any thinking player should notice that in this spot the overbet is not a "real" overbet in terms that you would be as well able to choose another reasonable betsizeamount....
So I would not weight here too much into the overbet.

I obv. agree with the 2ndpart of your post - in fact, many of the old legend-names are today "dead" - these here are the new names^^