FenderJaguar and student review a $/24 4-tabling video while focusing on some small leaks found throughout.
FenderJaguar takes on an understudy, CivSTAR, and teaches him how to make the leap from 200nl to 400nl.
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Chris, good video! I like this format a lot. Do you think 3betting the QJo is better than calling vs a reg with a 78% f3bet, assuming that we don't expect to get squeezed by the BB very often? How much are you taking his postflop tendencies into account when flatting here, like a barrel-happy villain vs a villain with a fairly low turn cbet? Where is the line where you do either or? Do you have a SB flatting range at all, assuming not an overly squeezehappy BB?
Also, vs a squeeze-happy BB, would you flat/backraise with a hand like this, anticipating the squeeze (has nice blockers, etc), or would you just use 88+/AJ+ to stack off with and have very little bluffs in your range? If any, which hands would you bluff with (considering 100bb stacks)?
With the AJ hand, I think vs a good hand reading opponent I'd be shoving and Kx to rep draws, in villains shoes, to rep draws. I find it works a lot because ppl will just put you on whichever draw turned. Oh, lol you mentioned that just now. I think this hand is also a good example of that.
I prefer a 3b w/the QJ because though we could call, we're in the sb (I believe) and it's not exactly a fist pump to play postflop. If you know you aren't getting squeezed by the bb that much flatting is more viable but it depends on how easy btn is to play vs. post flop. I'd also think about what kind of lines he tends to take and what he thinks about your flatting range (experience w/the player is nice to build these kinds of reads up, it's not always wingable) because a lot of guys that raise the button lightly aren't putting in 3 streets with top pair no kicks unless they think you're a total station. I have a sb flatting range when it makes sense to. If I'm trapping or trying to play more pots vs. a fish or if I have very good fold equity vs. the btn but he plays back at my 3b's well or too much, all depends but some of those variables need to be present.
I wouldn't be flatting if I knew the bb was squeeze happy unless I was trapping. I'd be 3b'ing or folding for the most part. It does of course depend on how you feel bb will respond to a backraise from you. If you think he's of the mindset that he's going to jam whatever broadway or pair he squeezed, then I don't like backraising (or flatting) unless you're going to call it off, and if he's going to play real clean and fold to a lot of backraises in addition to not squeezing too crazily, I don't mind flatting and backraising with a similar hand (maybe even flat calling if you were slowplaying, but not always), preferably suited, something with very nice postflop value. Also, depending on how lightly he's squeeze/shipping if he's in that mindset, you can probably get a bit lighter than 88+ and AJ+ though that's a good guideline.
I think its a mistake if you automatically rule out AK in heros range.
You said it 'depends on how loose they think you are preflop'. Well, we need to think about how wide the cold callers range is.
We see the turn check/check. Villains either has weak sdv or complete air giving up. So villain could be stabby.
Surely hero checks here to induce as he thinks villains range is wide, so checking here to let villain stab with all his air? Then what is so wrong with c/c AK here? We are ahead of all his air.
AK is the top of heros air range, but still has 25% equity in this spot.
Im basing all this on having a read on villain. But as hero c/c with QJ, surely he must have a read that villain will bluff here? Or it is dumb to check with QJ in the first place? OR hero thinks villains range is super tight and should c/f this board once he checks.
Just makes no sense to me.
Without a read it's pretty optimistic to c/c that flop with AK. Although it's top of hero's c/folding range it's smoked on later streets, difficult to play, and pretty much gets raped without knowing that your opponent is the type to showdown after stabbing the flop. Also 25% equity may not be entirely clean if hero can make a 2nd best hand with an A or a K and lose to 2 pair etc. or if we do get to showdown we can just lose to a random underpair. I'd rather bet and avoid the difficult guessing games that c/calling AK provides us here.
When we have a pair we're ahead of air, can stand to call multiple barrels if we think it's correct, and we beat a lot of the pairs villain can perhaps decide to bluff with, and overall it's just a much stronger situation.
A c/c w/QJ here isn't always going to be to strictly induce bluffs, it's also a form of pot control in a spot like this without much information where we have either an overcaller or a limp/caller in a 3b pot. If there were more draws, or we had top/top, or a solid read that our opponent is calling way too wide, then a bet becomes more favorable.
I assumed villain's cold calling range is, AA(3 combos),AJ,AQ,AKs,KQ,TT-JJ I think that should be pretty reasonable range for someone to cold call a 3-bet.
On the Q villain's range is:
full house: 0%
3 of a kind: 16.33%
top pair: 48.98%
weak pair: 12.24%
ace high: 8.163%
On the 2 villain's range is:
full house: 0%
3 of a kind: 14.04%
pp below tp: 10.53%
middle pair: 0%
weak pair: 0%
ace high: 35.09%
So that shows that villain has more potential bluff combos on the 2 thus we should be more inclined to bluff catch on the 2 than on the Q.
It should be a shove on the river if you think he will call your shove with top pair. Villain has approximately 48 combos of top pair and 34 combos of straights and better 2 pairs. But if you add some slowplayed sets and 2 pairs or if you think he limp/calls KQ preflop then it's probably just a call on the river.
lol, well the point is that just because someone has a high % of potential bluffing combinations doesn't mean they're going to use all of them, especially if they are of the mindset that a certain card is bad to bluff. It's more about the mindset of the player, though you can certainly give some weight to the # of combos. It's just not so clear cut in practice. enjoy the shoes!