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What do you think is his 3betting-range then? What´s his calling-range if we raise? Do you think he´s calling AA oop against a 3bet on the flop?

The nuts, monster draws and sets.. he might 3-bet top two
If he 3-bets AA we want to play with him forever.

Though I risk to be a bit annoying on this topic, but you still didn´t convince me. Your answer tells me that Villain has no b/c-range on the flop, right? So he´s either b/f or b/3b. Now you say he´s 3betting with monsters and monster draws (and folding the rest, right? It makes no sense to call oop with an overpair). So, we´re up against a stack-off-range of AKhh, AQhh, A9hh, KQhh, JJ, 77, JTs. This makes up for 17% of his betting-range, the rest (83%) is forced to fold. Our equity against that range is 60% (not a giant edge btw).

If I pump those data through StoxEV (under the assumption that Villain bets flop with TPTK+, combodraws, continues on the turn with overpairs and bets the river with 2p+), it shows me that calling - and for the sake of simplicity calling down / stacking off no matter what happens on later streets - yields a long-term-profit of $530, while raising only shows $400.

=> Where am I wrong (if you disagree with me)?

its not annoying <3

i called for your reasons and still dont think its super awful (my riverbet was).
but i would have loved to see him under pressure with an overpair or AJ or OESD, improving and stacking off light.

still i thought his range is unlikely to improve heavily in terms of beating me, still might catch up a pair or twopair, gutshot, double gutter, oesd whatever.. so i called to have a look at the turn

Though I risk to be a bit annoying on this topic, but you still didn´t convince me. Your answer tells me that Villain has no b/c-range on the flop, right? So he´s either b/f or b/3b. Now you say he´s 3betting with monsters and monster draws (and folding the rest, right? It makes no sense to call oop with an overpair). So, we´re up against a stack-off-range of AKhh, AQhh, A9hh, KQhh, JJ, 77, JTs. This makes up for 17% of his betting-range, the rest (83%) is forced to fold. Our equity against that range is 60% (not a giant edge btw).

If I pump those data through StoxEV (under the assumption that Villain bets flop with TPTK+, combodraws, continues on the turn with overpairs and bets the river with 2p+), it shows me that calling - and for the sake of simplicity calling down / stacking off no matter what happens on later streets - yields a long-term-profit of $530, while raising only shows $400.

=> Where am I wrong (if you disagree with me)?

Said 3-betting overpairs/top pair on the flop is really bad idea. I did not say that villain should fold them.

Said 3-betting overpairs/top pair on the flop is really bad idea. I did not say that villain should fold them.

Call with an overpair oop with merely one psb left on a super-wet board?! Would you do that?

What´s the plan for the turn then? c/c if turn blanks - risking to give Villain / Hero a freecard? Jam any non-heart turn and c/f a heart?

Call with an overpair oop with merely one psb left on a super-wet board?! Would you do that?

What´s the plan for the turn then? c/c if turn blanks - risking to give Villain / Hero a freecard? Jam any non-heart turn and c/f a heart?

Who said anything about making a huge raise? The pot would be 700-750 if villain calls.

Who said anything about making a huge raise? The pot would be 700-750 if villain calls.

If we exactly minraise, the pot is 805, with two psb left. To make Villain calling a minraise with AA and stuff like that we have to do it with AQ, AK as well, right?

If we exactly minraise, the pot is 805, with two psb left. To make Villain calling a minraise with AA and stuff like that we have to do it with AQ, AK as well, right?

I seem to have problem with adding numbers in my head today

I would raise slightly bigger if I raise. The last question I don't understand. If you are talking about being balanced in a spot like this you are shooting small birds with a huge canon. What matters is your perceived range. You actual range is only relevant if it is a spot that has a high frequency.