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hi guys

that dude seems to be new on the site and was playing reguarly at highstakes. we played some pots against each other. he is 3betting a frequently and is able to 4bet bluffshove me. i wasnt really focused that session and just played down my hands.

id say we have mutual respect for each other and our own game and just try to get the best out of it. its pretty much fun! he has no real leaks, except that he has no 5bet size and simply shoves everything. he is a bit too loose with 4bet shoves and always tries to get back at me. i was lucky with my hands so that i am up against him in ev and netwins. i had the idea that he respects my luck as skill lol

$1000.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1319337
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im one of the loosest guys out there with 33vpip 25pfr up to 16 3bet and 40% AFQ on all streets
and im a station 27-29wtsd with 44-55W$SD and 52-55wwsf,

he is 28 / 22 / 30 AFQ / 13% 3bet / 28wts, 51 won at, 45WWSF! steal 36
3bet in bb 13

SB: $1510.50
BB: $2017.75
UTG: $1318.75
CO: $2385.00
Hero (BTN): $2835.75

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BTN with T T
2 folds, Hero raises to $30, 1 fold, BB raises to $110, Hero calls $80

Flop: ($225.00) J 7 T (2 players)
BB bets $145.00, Hero calls $145

Turn: ($515.00) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $380.00

River: ($1275.00) K (2 players)


what about flop, turn, river?
thanksss

I like flop and turn. Did Villain check the river? What about an underbet of 1/4 pot? I think we can nicely balance it with KQ / busted flush draws etc.Ist

What about a flop 3 bet?

Calling the flop does not fit well with you image as a station. Calling has a high EV when you expect villain to barrel blanks - but why would he barrel blanks if you are not folding.

I don't see the relevance of balancing our bet size on the river. The spot has really a low frequency and all that matters is that you bet something that allows you to rep bluffs or induce bluffs.

I would bet small to induce and bigish to polarize and get hero called.

If you bet big and get shoved on... you can fold

Calling the flop does not fit well with you image as a station. Calling has a high EV when you expect villain to barrel blanks - but why would he barrel blanks if you are not folding.

Don´t get that. Following questions come up:

1) What´s the advantage of raising the flop?
2) Wouldn´t we play a draw the same way (by calling)?
3) Especially if we have a stationy image, isn´t it counter-productive then to polarize our flop-raising-range and weakening our flop-calling-range?
4) We have position, so it doesn´t matters if Villain checks the turn or barrels it ... do you think he´s calling / 3betting with a hand he´s not at least c/c the turn with?

Don´t get that. Following questions come up:

1) What´s the advantage of raising the flop?
2) Wouldn´t we play a draw the same way (by calling)?
3) Especially if we have a stationy image, isn´t it counter-productive then to polarize our flop-raising-range and weakening our flop-calling-range?
4) We have position, so it doesn´t matters if Villain checks the turn or barrels it ... do you think he´s calling / 3betting with a hand he´s not at least c/c the turn with?

1) It has a higher EV
2) Sometimes we will raise.. Sometimes we will call. This deep I would raise more often than not - since villian can't really 3-bet a one pair hand.
3) It would be counter productive to weaken our calling range if villain expected us to fold a lot. I don't think that is reasonable to assume if we are perceived as a station.
4) True.. but there are a good chunk of action killing turn cards.

1) It has a higher EV

OK, I provoked that answer by my broad question.

2) Sometimes we will raise.. Sometimes we will call. This deep I would raise more often than not - since villian can't really 3-bet a one pair hand.

What do you think is his 3betting-range then? What´s his calling-range if we raise? Do you think he´s calling AJ, QQ oop against a 3bet on the flop?

3) It would be counter productive to weaken our calling range if villain expected us to fold a lot. I don't think that is reasonable to assume if we are perceived as a station.

This is still the point I´m struggling with. If we raise the strongest hands and we raise our strong draws, what are we calling with then? Once Villain recognized that, he could simply overbet the turn with ATC because our calling-range is too weak to withstand that heat, am I right? Is this a problem you´re solving once it arrives (=> first let him adjust and then start calling with monsters)?

What do you think is his 3betting-range then? What´s his calling-range if we raise? Do you think he´s calling AA oop against a 3bet on the flop?

The nuts, monster draws and sets.. he might 3-bet top two
If he 3-bets AA we want to play with him forever.

This is still the point I´m struggling with. If we raise the strongest hands and we raise our strong draws, what are we calling with then? Once Villain recognized that, he could simply overbet the turn with ATC because our calling-range is too weak to withstand that heat, am I right? Is this a problem you´re solving once it arrives (=> first let him adjust and then start calling with monsters)?

Well it requires that he has the balls and that we actually fold. He is OOP 200bb deep => he should not be 3-betting a wide range in the first place. So it is really hard for him to ever exploit us.

sorry, im not really a station, just . i just went with the flow there and yeah propably just played it bad. for some reason i thought calling the flop and raising the turn is nicer than just 3betting right away. i know its propably stupid, i often adjust wrong, while here i just might have played it wrong.


SB: $1510.50
BB: $2017.75
UTG: $1318.75
CO: $2385.00
Hero (BTN): $2835.75

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BTN with T T
2 folds, Hero raises to $30, 1 fold, BB raises to $110, Hero calls $80

Flop: ($225.00) J 7 T (2 players)
BB bets $145.00, Hero calls $145

Turn: ($515.00) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $380.00, BB calls $380 --------- ~420?

River: ($1275.00) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ??

Bet small to induce, big to get hero called. You have a much better feel for how villain will react than we do.

what are we thinking if he check/raises us on the turn?

what are we thinking if he check/raises us on the turn?

Shooting our self

but im interested in this to..

what are we thinking if he check/raises us on the turn?

he has the nuts and sucks at poker.

Our perceived range for betting the turn after he checks should be polarized because even 2 pairs shouldn't want to play for stacks on this board -> we will be checking most of our made hands so makes no sense to go for a c/r except to stack the top of our range which he can do by triple barreling anyways. By going for the stack a donk line, villain is guaranteeing himself that he will only stack us in cooler situations.

we will be checking most of our made hands so makes no sense to go for a c/r except to stack the top of our range which he can do by triple barreling anyways. By going for the stack a donk line, villain is guaranteeing himself that he will only stack us in cooler situations.

if he goes for a turn c/r with Q9, then he stacks our 9x hands which would have happened most of the time anyway if he just 3barreled (like you said), but he guarantees getting the money in vs those hands whereas a normal turn bet leaves open the possibility of a heart or board pairing card killing his action on the river, so a turn c/r stacks 9x more often than 3 barrels, no? Moreover, doesn't checking the turn induce a bluff from hands that would just fold a lot to 2 barrels, like AQ/AK/weak FD's/ and pairs that hero can turn into bluffs? And he's probably not going to get 3 streets from 1 pair hands that check back the turn anyway.

So then maybe c/c and c/c river is better than c/r turn if hero is so polarized, but it's not like Q9 is invulnerable on that board. Q9 probably doesn't fist pump facing a big river shove on a heart, A, K, Q, J,7, 8, or T, and again, a heart or board pairing card could kill his action from a 9.

thank you guys, thx improva!

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no idea.