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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by sthief09 (Mid Stakes)

First! Woo hoo

hey, thanks josh for your advices and sorry to all watchers for my terrific english, have a nice day

hey, thanks josh for your advices and sorry to all watchers for my terrific english, have a nice day

Love the French accent
Another solid video, good series, thanks Josh!

Time Link to 01:10:14

Theory Question: If we fold the JTs Flush Draw on the turn because we are most likely not getting the implied odds if we hit, why float the flop to begin with? How are our implied odds better on the turn if we float the flop as opposed to the turn? I only see floating the flop useful because we have the potential to steal on the turn or take a free card.

This is a common occurance, float the flop with a flush draw and fold a flush draw to a double barrel.

-thx

can you link to your custom pop up again please? looks great.

really good series has helped me a lot

Any chance you will do this series based on databases of full ring players?

If not, could you please express your general thoughts of differences in analysing 6max and 9max databases?

Theory Question: If we fold the JTs Flush Draw on the turn because we are most likely not getting the implied odds if we hit, why float the flop to begin with? How are our implied odds better on the turn if we float the flop as opposed to the turn? I only see floating the flop useful because we have the potential to steal on the turn or take a free card.

This is a common occurance, float the flop with a flush draw and fold a flush draw to a double barrel.

-thx

I can think of severak reasons why it's profitable on the flop:
- implied odds are proportionate to SPR. as a ratio, implied odds are basically ($$ in pot + money you'll win if you hit)cost to call). since the cost to call is smaller and the payoff is greater on the flop, the implied odds are much greater than on the turn.
- villain will often be one-and-done here. you have a better chance of stealing it after the flop. after he bets the flop and turn, our chances of stealing it go down.
- even if you're not planning on betting the turn if he checks, you can still opt for a free card. 2 chances to hit vs. 1
- hitting a J or T is more likely to give us the best hand when he's only bet once than when he bets flop and turn (because his range is stronger).
- the turn paired the ace, hurting our equity more than a blank would, and introduces some more possibilities for a river spade to give us a 2nd best hand.

can you link to your custom pop up again please? looks great.

really good series has helped me a lot

http://membervideos.deucescracked.com/sthief09/12472/CustomPopup.pop

shoot me a PM if you're not sure how to get it working for you.

Any chance you will do this series based on databases of full ring players?

If not, could you please express your general thoughts of differences in analysing 6max and 9max databases?

Honestly, I don't have enough experience in FR to say for sure, but most or all of the same stats should apply. What you can do is talk with FR players or ask around about certain stats. Or look at regulars in your db with whom you've played several thousand hands. That way, you can start to get an idea of what's typical, what's high, and what's low. From there, all of the same concepts apply: hypothesize, filter, and review hands.

Thanks Josh, this info you gave me helps me understand the "Why" in this situation better.

One last super quick question. What is your opinion of floating vs. ck/r'ing this JTs oop in a single raised pot if we defended the big blind on this A42tt board. Are there any strategic considerations to consider since we'd be oop? I'm thinking perhaps you'd fast play by ck/ring your draw oop since you don't have positional advantage, or would you like a call of a c-bet even though you are now oop. Hope my question makes sense....Thanks!

I can think of severak reasons why it's profitable on the flop:
- implied odds are proportionate to SPR. as a ratio, implied odds are basically ($$ in pot + money you'll win if you hit)cost to call). since the cost to call is smaller and the payoff is greater on the flop, the implied odds are much greater than on the turn.
- villain will often be one-and-done here. you have a better chance of stealing it after the flop. after he bets the flop and turn, our chances of stealing it go down.
- even if you're not planning on betting the turn if he checks, you can still opt for a free card. 2 chances to hit vs. 1
- hitting a J or T is more likely to give us the best hand when he's only bet once than when he bets flop and turn (because his range is stronger).
- the turn paired the ace, hurting our equity more than a blank would, and introduces some more possibilities for a river spade to give us a 2nd best hand.

Thanks Josh, this info you gave me helps me understand the "Why" in this situation better.

One last super quick question. What is your opinion of floating vs. ck/r'ing this JTs oop in a single raised pot if we defended the big blind on this A42tt board. Are there any strategic considerations to consider since we'd be oop? I'm thinking perhaps you'd fast play by ck/ring your draw oop since you don't have positional advantage, or would you like a call of a c-bet even though you are now oop. Hope my question makes sense....Thanks!

first I'll assume we are against a TAG. there are advantages to either play:
- check-raising gives us a chance to take it down on the flop
- check-raising also gives us a chance to make him fold some top pair hands if we barrel the turn
- check-rasing seizes the initiative, which is nice here since check-calling then facing a turn bet is a really uncomfortable spot and realistically we probably just fold.
- check-calling has the advantage of closing the action on the flop. when we check-raise, we give villain a chance to 3-bet and make us fold a considerable chunk of pot equity.
- check-calling can often lead to efficiently stealing the pot on the river. there are many hands (KQ, QJ, 77, 54) that will check through the turn and almost always fold the river to a bet.I say efficiently because when this happens, we've put in the same amount of money as we did with a c/r, except we got to see all 5 cards and can be confident that the river bet is profitable.

factors:
- villain's 2 barrel %. if he 2 barrels a lot then we should just check-raise because check-calling then facing a turn barrel is no fun. if he 2 barrels a LOT, we can actually think about going for a c/c then c/r all-in on the turn.
- villain's opening range. if he raised UTG, we have less fold equity with a flop c/r than if he raised on the button.
- strength of draw. if instead of JTs, we have 76s I'd prefer to c/r the flop since I don't mind getting 3-bet (we'd be folding less equity) and the EV of check-calling is lesser (less pair value, less chance of winning if turn+river are spades). if we had the nut flush draw on this board, I'd call more often because we have some showdown value, and I really hate getting 3-bet because not many worse draws will 3-bet and stack off on this flop. it's also a lot easier to call the turn with the NFD since there's a chance he has a flush draw and the implied odds are huge.

so yeah, long post without a real definite answer, but those factors will all go through my head when I'm deciding whether to c/r or c/c this. I've done both in similar situations, so the important part is just knowing the types of things to think about.

Man, this is good stuff and I appreciate the input. Your poker brain is highly evolved. I've been posting in the vid threads for just a couple weeks and you, Ansky and Threads13 have really enlightened me on some theory, I love it.

speaking of nut flush draws " if we had the nut flush draw on this board, I'd call more often because we have some showdown value, and I really hate getting 3-bet because not many worse draws will 3-bet and stack off on this flop. it's also a lot easier to call the turn with the NFD since there's a chance he has a flush draw and the implied odds are huge." I'm assuming you'd agree that Raise stacking off with some Ax flush draws would be good on various board textures since we could be getting it in against lower draws as well if villain is aggressive enough.

-Amazing discussion, thanks a bunch.

first I'll assume we are against a TAG. there are advantages to either play:
- check-raising gives us a chance to take it down on the flop
- check-raising also gives us a chance to make him fold some top pair hands if we barrel the turn
- check-rasing seizes the initiative, which is nice here since check-calling then facing a turn bet is a really uncomfortable spot and realistically we probably just fold.
- check-calling has the advantage of closing the action on the flop. when we check-raise, we give villain a chance to 3-bet and make us fold a considerable chunk of pot equity.
- check-calling can often lead to efficiently stealing the pot on the river. there are many hands (KQ, QJ, 77, 54) that will check through the turn and almost always fold the river to a bet.I say efficiently because when this happens, we've put in the same amount of money as we did with a c/r, except we got to see all 5 cards and can be confident that the river bet is profitable.

factors:
- villain's 2 barrel %. if he 2 barrels a lot then we should just check-raise because check-calling then facing a turn barrel is no fun. if he 2 barrels a LOT, we can actually think about going for a c/c then c/r all-in on the turn.
- villain's opening range. if he raised UTG, we have less fold equity with a flop c/r than if he raised on the button.
- strength of draw. if instead of JTs, we have 76s I'd prefer to c/r the flop since I don't mind getting 3-bet (we'd be folding less equity) and the EV of check-calling is lesser (less pair value, less chance of winning if turn+river are spades). if we had the nut flush draw on this board, I'd call more often because we have some showdown value, and I really hate getting 3-bet because not many worse draws will 3-bet and stack off on this flop. it's also a lot easier to call the turn with the NFD since there's a chance he has a flush draw and the implied odds are huge.

so yeah, long post without a real definite answer, but those factors will all go through my head when I'm deciding whether to c/r or c/c this. I've done both in similar situations, so the important part is just knowing the types of things to think about.

Man, this is good stuff and I appreciate the input. Your poker brain is highly evolved. I've been posting in the vid threads for just a couple weeks and you, Ansky and Threads13 have really enlightened me on some theory, I love it.

speaking of nut flush draws " if we had the nut flush draw on this board, I'd call more often because we have some showdown value, and I really hate getting 3-bet because not many worse draws will 3-bet and stack off on this flop. it's also a lot easier to call the turn with the NFD since there's a chance he has a flush draw and the implied odds are huge." I'm assuming you'd agree that Raise stacking off with some Ax flush draws would be good on various board textures since we could be getting it in against lower draws as well if villain is aggressive enough.

-Amazing discussion, thanks a bunch.

Awesome, glad to help out. Thanks for the kind words. Yes, I definitely do agree with that in general. The massive difference here is that the NFD has no overcards. If we have one or especially two overcards with the NFD, I'm much, much more likely to put in a raise. This is more true on boards with possible straight draws, because draws like the NFD and pair+FD usually dominate FD+straight draw or OESD+overs. Those are hands that people will sometimes 3-bet/get all-in after we raise.

Time Link to 00:08:25

What River call efficency is optimal? I don't remember if it was mentioned in the first episode. Thank you in advance.