Ass Get to Jigglin
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A hand with ~42.5% equity vs his calling range is gonna be strong enough to raise OOP. JTo for example has 43.5% equity vs a ~40% range.
GC- what's the mathematical reasoning behind the ~42.5% equity number to raise OOP vs a fish that plays fit/fold?
thanks for the reply to my other question too btw and great end to the series
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Grindcore
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GC- what's the mathematical reasoning behind the ~42.5% equity number to raise OOP vs a fish that plays fit/fold?
thanks for the reply to my other question too btw and great end to the series
I picked that number because J6o has 42.5%. Imo you can get away with much less equity, and in practice I often raise ATC.
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I picked that number because J6o has 42.5%. Imo you can get away with much less equity, and in practice I often raise ATC.
In the BB, vs. an opp you presumably expect to limp/call 100%, why raise at all? Isn't this just bloating the pot?
"Since you know he's not gonna fold that flop, it's obviously a good spot to barrel."
This is difficult to follow.
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Grindcore
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This is difficult to follow.
How? We KNOW he has A8o. We can see his cards. If he's gonna fold flop it's good to cbet bluff there. If he's not gonna fold flop it's good to 2barrel him. And if he's not gonna fold turn then it's a great spot to shove the river.
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How? We KNOW he has A8o. We can see his cards. If he's gonna fold flop it's good to cbet bluff there. If he's not gonna fold flop it's good to 2barrel him. And if he's not gonna fold turn then it's a great spot to shove the river.
Love this haha. No wonder your red line is positive gc. 
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If you're not barreling when you know he has air you have some serious fundamental leaks though imo. It should be pretty standard for everyone to barrel there if they were super users and saw he had air.
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Hi Grindcore, I am a big fan of your style.
I play the micros but I have some mid stakes poker budies, that sugest to me you must be trying to level people with the call with T4o oop againt a competent player, I just have no knowledge to argue with them, so maybe you can explaind?
They just say that you can only be losing a ton of money with that kind of calls.
Ty very much.
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Grindcore
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Hi Grindcore, I am a big fan of your style.
I play the micros but I have some mid stakes poker budies, that sugest to me you must be trying to level people with the call with T4o oop againt a competent player, I just have no knowledge to argue with them, so maybe you can explaind?
They just say that you can only be losing a ton of money with that kind of calls.
Ty very much.
Timestamp? I'm guessing it was against a minraise? Calling a minraise in BvB with any 2 is kinda like calling a min3b with any 2. Most people also cbet too much with their wide stealing ranges so I have sort of implied cbet odds as well.
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Ty once more Grindcore.
He was opening close to 100% of buttons and cbetting at a very high frequency. A pair will have excellent equity against his cbetting range. I'll flop a pair 1 in 3 times. After he cbets, the pot is $30, and it only cost me $4 to get to that spot. That's 7.5:1. Again, I'm hitting 1 in 3 times and when I do I have good equity vs his cbetting range (fav if you stove it). Sure I'm OOP to make up for some of that, but unless you end up spewing stacks, folding any hand to a ATC button minraiser is a leak imo. Not defending your blinds enough is the most common leak at MSNL probably.
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Ass Get to Jigglin
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He was opening close to 100% of buttons and cbetting at a very high frequency. A pair will have excellent equity against his cbetting range. I'll flop a pair 1 in 3 times. After he cbets, the pot is $30, and it only cost me $4 to get to that spot. That's 7.5:1. Again, I'm hitting 1 in 3 times and when I do I have good equity vs his cbetting range (fav if you stove it). Sure I'm OOP to make up for some of that, but unless you end up spewing stacks, folding any hand to a ATC button minraiser is a leak imo. Not defending your blinds enough is the most common leak at MSNL probably.
GC- would you still be defending so light if you didnt feel you had a significant skill edge post flop? True you are getting sick odds, but isn't post flop play/future streets a significant consideration? You are an equity dog to J2o and he has position in the hand.
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Grindcore
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GC- would you still be defending so light if you didnt feel you had a significant skill edge post flop? True you are getting sick odds, but isn't post flop play/future streets a significant consideration? You are an equity dog to J2o and he has position in the hand.
I'm not calling because of a skill that's making up for the weak hand. I'm calling because I think it's theoretically correct to do. I'd call T4o vs a 10/20 reg min raising 100% too. Sure if I thought the reg had an edge on me I'd play tighter. In HU you can defend 50-60% or so (I think) vs a 100% button minraiser. In this case theres an additional dead SB in the pot to give better odds. When both our ranges are 100%, the only thing going for him is position. Since you're getting insane odds, you can play more fit/fold and therefore have a stronger range than him on the turn to make up for his positional advantage.
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are your screen names where you normally play outed?
Not my active ones. I might come out with one for a future series I'm planning, but it's gonna be a while before the series comes out, if the the whole thing goes down to begin with.
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