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The Thin Red Grind: Episode Eight

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The Thin Red Grind: Episode Eight by Grindcore

Grindcore tries to get into his opponent's head in this final episode of his series.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 52 minutes long
  • Posted about 2 years ago

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Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:16:23

do you usually have time to figure out all the possible thought processes that could have led to an opponent's decision for every showdown hand while playing 6 tables?

Posted about 2 years ago

PaperV

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In the hand history at the start. We gain the read that the fish MinRaise is a weakbluff, and we have fold equity shoving over it. The last hand where you shove Jhi, I believe that calling his raise and donk-shoving 100% of rivers that you miss and Checkcall 100% of rivers if you hit a 6 or J. I believe that will give you the most long term fold equity-net profit.

Because we know that he cannot have any sort of TP or 2nd pair hand but can still have some sort of drawing hand, have already shoved over his minraise and we have no showdown value but are in bad shape against his entire calling range.

I guess it comes down to if you think he Hero calls river more often than he calls after minraising?

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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Table 4: How often will you cbet this size? Are you more likely to do this on ace high boards?



Depends. I'm not actually 100% sure I have a system for this. I might vary sizes in the same spot. I just do what feels right at the time. But the wider his preflop calling range is the better it becomes to bet smaller as that makes bluffing him off his air cheaper, and also widens his flop c/c range so a 2nd barrel gets more FE. I'd encourage you try out cbetting 1/3rd in every spot for a session and see for yourself how people respond. If you find that it works great on particular board textures, or specific positions, or vs specific player types or whatever, make it your default play for those spots from there on and keep playing normal in the rest of the spots. This experimental method is essentially what shaped my entire game. I just tried out everything I could think of and stuck with what I liked.

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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One of the best series on DC. I learnt a ton from listening to your thought process, and these videos finally convinced me to play less tables and build up more detailed reads. More please.



Thanks Smile check out the thin red line if you haven't already. It's a bit more conceptual than this series and goes hand in hand with dropping tables.

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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Are you sure its a good idea to iso a fish with as weak as J6o? I know you said you have a read on him but we rarely flop well and he is never folding post. What makes matter worse is hes the type to randomly bluff so barelling him becomes -ev when he MR MP for thin Value/Bluff or w/e he is thinking lol.



Imagine you're a super user and you can see his exact holding. We know preflop that he has A8o. Lets say you weren't allowed to even look at your cards, would you still raise? Obviously, because you're gonna crush him postflop. Since you know he's not gonna fold that flop, it's obviously a good spot to barrel. And when he minraises turn and you know he has A8o, you'd shove as well right? My reads on him were kinda like being a super user, as I'd know when he has hit the flop and I should shut down, and when he misses and I can apply pressure all the way. That he actually calls it off with air after having bluffed himself is just very drunk or misclicky of him, no way I could know that. It'd be ridiculous to not shove there for the risk that he might call it off with air. And if he calls A8o there, maybe he calls worse too. You never know. If I got in the same spot with the same reads against another player I'd do the same thing again in a heart beat. Try not to be results oriented but just think about the logic behind the play.

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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1 more comment the read was correct you say? But I guess we forgot fish dont fold hands,planning to barrel a fish this bad and spazzy is not a good idea imo. Maybe Im wrong, can you please explain further on your actions? Thanks.



I kinda covered this in my previous posts. Also, I'm guessing you play microstakes? (no offense) You shouldn't be watching these videos. It's extremely important that you learn all the fundamentals first before you watch anything by me. If you try to mimic anything you see in my videos without having the basics down you're gonna end up spewing and creating nasty leaks in your game and slow down your growth as a player tremendously.

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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First time ever watching one of your vids and I have to say that is deep stuff right there. I like it alot so far!



If you want to watch more I'd highly recommend starting at the Thin Red Line, my other series, and watching it from the first episode on. Watch this series in order after you've finished it. But again, save my videos for later if you're not winning at NL50 yet.

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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Can I ask why you say you can easily call him with any pair, does he never barrel? Surely when another over card comes to the board a aggro villian is likely to barrel and we are forced to hero call or just spew with these weak holdings. My ? is how are we profiting in these spots vs aggro villians? Or did we have a read that the villian gives up on turns and rivers? (I am also aware that he is the one who MR every BTN) And Im deff sure you dont defend this light vs a normal open.



How often you have top pair is simply a math thing. The wider your range, the more "thinned down" Ax combos are in your entire raising range, so you have Ax less often on A high boards. If you're still cbetting 70% at them, you must have tons of air in your cbetting range. If he never barrels with air, a flop c/c is obviously super profitable as I can c/f turn or check down and win the majorty of the time. If he barrels a lot, I can just keep calling him down as he still has more air than Ax in his range on the turn. He simply has to give up at a certain frequency or he'll become extremely easy to play against. You simply can't fold pairs to people opening 100% and cbetting pretty much every time they miss on dry boards. If you do you should just fold preflop.

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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Hi GC!

Is it still possible to get enrolled in the group coaching you mentioned?



Yeah once I've worked out the specifics, I'll release a DC short where I'll give the link to the thread with all info. Just keep an eye out for it.

Posted about 2 years ago

KidCharlemagne

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Depends. I'm not actually 100% sure I have a system for this. I might vary sizes in the same spot. I just do what feels right at the time. But the wider his preflop calling range is the better it becomes to bet smaller as that makes bluffing him off his air cheaper, and also widens his flop c/c range so a 2nd barrel gets more FE.



Thanks for responding, GC. I like the logic behind the bolded phrase...definitely going to experiment with this at my limit.

Wanted to add that I've been following your work since Red Line Rampage (purchased a PokerSavvy account back in '09 just for that series). You're far and away my favorite instructor and I hope you continue making videos for DC!

Posted about 2 years ago

Bluesjammin

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table 5 44mins
dont u think u missed val on river? wat were your main reasons for not betting there?

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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table 5 44mins
dont u think u missed val on river? wat were your main reasons for not betting there?



He called my UTG raise from the SB. He probably doesn't have Tx in his preflop callingrange. Maybe JTs but I have JJ. If he has AQ, why bet in his spot? What can he get called by? He probably just checks it. Same for sets. My callingrange probably valuebets anyway. And I fold out everything I beat when I bet. Maybe I could underbet, but I can't really call a c/r which I might induce with it. All in all I don't think it's worth it to go for thin value there without some sort of history.

Posted about 2 years ago

gravessen

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Time Link to 00:44:13

Hi GC

Table 4 with AJss. When i am on this spot vs a player like him that 2nd barrels a lot i use to fold Ah on Q88 OOP just because he seems the type of player that will be firing 2nd barrels on bricks. Do you think i can float here even against a player that use the stretagy of double barreling a lot? (my hand can't stand a lot of action if i don't hit a J, A, T or K)

Posted about 2 years ago

Anonomous1

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Time Link to 00:45:48

Having a thinking player on your left, how would you play him differently if he were playing 4 tables vs 10 tables?

Posted about 2 years ago

Anonomous1

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I kinda covered this in my previous posts. Also, I'm guessing you play microstakes? (no offense) You shouldn't be watching these videos. It's extremely important that you learn all the fundamentals first before you watch anything by me. If you try to mimic anything you see in my videos without having the basics down you're gonna end up spewing and creating nasty leaks in your game and slow down your growth as a player tremendously.


This is funny, it's exactly what has happened to my game. Goodbye Grindcore, great series

Posted about 2 years ago




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