Grindcore
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table with A9 on 3bet pot, would you call when vilain c/R the river for 35?
Snap. It's extremely unlikely that I'm beat when he checks river. Hands strong enough to c/r river will very likely bet larger on the turn or check turn. Hands like AQ just double barrel, probably another underbet for the same reasons he thought it was good on the turn. When he bets so small on the turn he usually has SD value so he doesn't have to bluff river, so I'm not sure exactly what I beat when he checkraises, but I'll leave that up to him.
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thx for the video GC - good job as always!
around min 17. You raise T7s on 79Ttt OTB. Reg in CO calls. turn is the 8 which completes the flush.
I really dislike your turn bet. This card hit your range so hard, its almost impossible for you to not have a set,straight or flush. How can you bet there - hoping he'll come over the top with an overpair? IMO this is a very clear check behind - decide (probably fold) river.
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nemeelucas
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I think that betting in this spot is thought provoking and good for the reasons you stated but I don't think he'd check shove aa or kk. I think if he shoves we're behind most of the time and when we're not he has pretty good equity with aa or kk qq with a diamond (even for a split). I mean I know the reason you're saying we should bet is b/c he likely wont ship a value hand that we beat that would rather/should call so we should bet. Thus we should then call if he's not shipping the btm end of his premium value range.
I know it's hard to make a flush but I think the pockets make up a smaller portion of his co open+cb+call rr range than a flush or combo draw. Which fds can we try to discount here when he bet/calls instead of getting it in on the flop? maybe he's not the type to open suited conns or gappers with a 40bb short stacker in the bb?
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Grindcore
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thx for the video GC - good job as always!
around min 17. You raise T7s on 79Ttt OTB. Reg in CO calls. turn is the 8 which completes the flush.
I really dislike your turn bet. This card hit your range so hard, its almost impossible for you to not have a set,straight or flush. How can you bet there - hoping he'll come over the top with an overpair? IMO this is a very clear check behind - decide (probably fold) river.
I talk about this at the end of the video. Maybe I should fold to a c/r and bet/call would be a mistake, but I'll rarely get c/r'd here.
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Grindcore
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Why are you betting the turn that big with 97s if he is, like u say, not folding an ace? So you are planning to barrel the river him off an ace? Do you think this is profitable vs an unknown?
I think you're mixing up hands. I had a 55 hand on 234A, where I'm betting large for value. I also played 97s at the same time where I bet ~half pot on Axxx with a FD when the pfr cbets and checks turn.
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I think that betting in this spot is thought provoking and good for the reasons you stated but I don't think he'd check shove aa or kk. I think if he shoves we're behind most of the time and when we're not he has pretty good equity with aa or kk qq with a diamond (even for a split). I mean I know the reason you're saying we should bet is b/c he likely wont ship a value hand that we beat that would rather/should call so we should bet. Thus we should then call if he's not shipping the btm end of his premium value range.
I know it's hard to make a flush but I think the pockets make up a smaller portion of his co open+cb+call rr range than a flush or combo draw. Which fds can we try to discount here when he bet/calls instead of getting it in on the flop? maybe he's not the type to open suited conns or gappers with a 40bb short stacker in the bb?
Yeah maybe calling off a shove is a mistake. Still, I'll rarely get shoved on there, so even if I'd make the incorrect play vs the shove, the EV of the bet/call line is probably still better than for checking. I think I talk about his FD range at the end of the video. Correct me if I'm wrong, then I'll comment on it here.
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nemeelucas
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Yeah maybe calling off a shove is a mistake. Still, I'll rarely get shoved on there, so even if I'd make the incorrect play vs the shove, the EV of the bet/call line is probably still better than for checking. I think I talk about his FD range at the end of the video. Correct me if I'm wrong, then I'll comment on it here.
Yeah I posted this before I saw the very end, it was well explained. I liked the bet I just thought calling the shove would be a mistake. Great series so far, looking forward to the last two. I particularly enjoy the hand reviews in the beginning and at the end.
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Why not check back flop with the openended?
Assuming you mean the QJ hand... Yeah checking back is good too. I mostly want him to fold his ace highs when I bet there, which are a huge part of fishes preflop ranges. If the board (and my draw) was lower betting is better as there are more overcards you can barrel if you bet. If he's deeper you should also bet as you want to build the pot in case you hit. Larger potsizes amplify mistakes, so if it's close, usually go for the bet to get more value out of your edge.
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Is your standard play to 3bet baby pairs BB vs SB, or you did it for some reason in particular? ty
Yes it's my default play. You rarely flop a set and they're very weak low equity bluff catchers when you miss. Most people don't get stacks in super light without history so the value of a set also ain't that good. I rather play back at them a couple of times before I start flatting small pairs. They can also 5b shove, which is good because I'm 3betting light so I get 4b bluffed at a decent frequency.
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