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Boosdoener: Episode Four

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Boosdoener: Episode Four by FoxwoodsFiend, Hielko

Rolls are switched as this week Hielko sweats FoxwoodsFiend as he plays a couple tables of $3/6 6 max NLHE.

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FoxwoodFiend takes Hielko under his wing as they explore what it takes to crush souls at 400NL and 600NL and make the move to 1000NL.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 60 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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DaKaJ

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I noticed you 3-bet 3bb to 10.5bb ot to 11bb in position which is kind of big I think, especially when ur strategy is to 3-bet a lot from the CO and BTN.
I remember 2-3 years ago every regular used to to 3-bet 3bb opens to 11bb then later the standards became 3bb to 10bb and nowadays I see more and more people 3-betting 3bb to 9bb or even 8bb on some cases.
Any more in depth thought about in position 3-betting size?

Posted over 2 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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I noticed you 3-bet 3bb to 10.5bb ot to 11bb in position which is kind of big I think, especially when ur strategy is to 3-bet a lot from the CO and BTN.
I remember 2-3 years ago every regular used to to 3-bet 3bb opens to 11bb then later the standards became 3bb to 10bb and nowadays I see more and more people 3-betting 3bb to 9bb or even 8bb on some cases.
Any more in depth thought about in position 3-betting size?



I normally mean to pot raise (so 3 to 10.5) in position. It's just what I'm comfortable with and think has maximal combination of both fold equity and discouraging cheap 4-betting. Not to say you can't have a style of smaller 3betting, it's just not something Id o

Posted over 2 years ago

Salvali

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I think you were 3betting too much in general. You are decreasing your edge when creating these 3bet/4bet/5bet wars were most of these guys will be fairly balanced. I think you're way better of flatting a more wide range in position and outplaying those guys with a much bigger stack to pot ratio.

Posted over 2 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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I think you were 3betting too much in general. You are decreasing your edge when creating these 3bet/4bet/5bet wars were most of these guys will be fairly balanced. I think you're way better of flatting a more wide range in position and outplaying those guys with a much bigger stack to pot ratio.



I mean, I agree for the most part (I think I was the first person to start hammering that point home in vids actually Smile ) but I was finding I was getting a lot of folds at first so I kept going with it. Exploiting a postflop edge is a lot less important when you're immediately taking down preflop raises

Posted over 2 years ago

Salvali

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I mean, I agree for the most part (I think I was the first person to start hammering that point home in vids actually Smile ) but I was finding I was getting a lot of folds at first so I kept going with it. Exploiting a postflop edge is a lot less important when you're immediately taking down preflop raises



Thanks for the quick reply. I do understand your point of immediately taking down preflop pots, it's definitely profitbale if they keep folding.

However is it that much more profitable than playing postflop? Other than the fact that the descisions are more easy preflop and you let your're oponnents realizing some postflop equity, isnt this heavily compensated by you being to able to bluff/valuebet allot more effective in allot of situations?

It might be a fun idea to make a video someday were you set the rule that you can't 3bet any hand. I think it will generate allot of interesting spots!

Posted over 2 years ago

HighOctane

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Can you please explain exactly why you rather 4bet shove 77/88 instead of AJ in that blind vs blind spot.

stove can easily answer Wink

Hand 0: 34.280% { 6d6h }
Hand 1: 65.720% { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }

vs
Hand 0 31.124% { AhJd }
Hand 1: 68.876% { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }

if villains range is 99+, AQs+,AQo+, the difference is way more significant (29%vs35%)




In other words, if your going to call you need equity when you miss and when you shove you need hot/cold equity

Posted over 2 years ago

HighOctane

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Thanks for the quick reply. I do understand your point of immediately taking down preflop pots, it's definitely profitbale if they keep folding.

However is it that much more profitable than playing postflop? Other than the fact that the descisions are more easy preflop and you let your're oponnents realizing some postflop equity, isnt this heavily compensated by you being to able to bluff/valuebet allot more effective in allot of situations?


It might be a fun idea to make a video someday were you set the rule that you can't 3bet any hand. I think it will generate allot of interesting spots!



Salvali isn't a lot of post flop playability created precisly by wide aggro preflop ranges, in 3 bet pots in particular. Postflop skill does not exist in a vaccuum. Like it creates the foundation for a wider post flop value range and therefore inducing mistakes postflop in big pots.

Posted over 2 years ago

Salvali

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Salvali isn't a lot of post flop playability created precisly by wide aggro preflop ranges, in 3 bet pots in particular. Postflop skill does not exist in a vaccuum. Like it creates the foundation for a wider post flop value range and therefore inducing mistakes postflop in big pots.



Sure it will induce some mistakes in bigger pots. But like I said those mistakes would not be that huge because of the big stack to pot ratio and the fairly easy way to balance 3bet+ situations preflop.

I disagree on your point that a lot of post flop playabillity is created by wide aggro preflop ranges. You can play a little bit more passive preflop and become agressive after the flop, creating does exact foundations.

Posted over 2 years ago

Prologion

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Time Link to 00:29:51

What you think about a C/Jam here instead of cbetting yourself?
Seems pretty confident with an SPR of about 4:1 and decent EQ.
Of course, especially against aggr./stabby Fishes....
Cbetting is of course as well fine, though it would suck to get called, if the turn would be a blank...

Posted over 2 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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What you think about a C/Jam here instead of cbetting yourself?
Seems pretty confident with an SPR of about 4:1 and decent EQ.
Of course, especially against aggr./stabby Fishes....
Cbetting is of course as well fine, though it would suck to get called, if the turn would be a blank...



Think c/r is a good play here

Posted over 2 years ago

Prologion

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Time Link to 00:50:28

I was here a little bit more on the call-side b/c,
yeah due to your aggr. 3bet-image, he can for sure trap for example preflop bigPairs...
But:
When he assumes that your 3betrange is wide, why he would C/Jam here for Value?
Would make more sense for him to C/Call vs. an assumed wide range....
But yeah,
I see the problem that in the worst case, we have only 2 outs and hence for instance Tx would be a better hand for us to "herocall" here.
So folding can`t be too bad, but anyways imo strange spot.

Posted over 2 years ago

Prologion

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Time Link to 00:55:33

loooooool, sooo horny D:

btw.,
I am now ready with watching this part - another pretty interesting and valuable part, imo.
Especially the points which you both have talked about in regards to imagebuilding and how you should adjust when having an aggressive one - thank you very muchWink

Posted over 2 years ago

chipchucker5

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next time you get a prop bet from fwf you should raise for value



lol this

Posted over 2 years ago




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