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Boosdoener: Episode Four

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Boosdoener: Episode Four by FoxwoodsFiend, Hielko

Rolls are switched as this week Hielko sweats FoxwoodsFiend as he plays a couple tables of $3/6 6 max NLHE.

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FoxwoodFiend takes Hielko under his wing as they explore what it takes to crush souls at 400NL and 600NL and make the move to 1000NL.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 60 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Saydon

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is it just me or is quality totally messed up?

Posted over 2 years ago

inavacuum

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Quality is fine for me, using mp4 version.

Posted over 2 years ago

DiggerTheDog

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FWF - RE: Your comments regarding how much Preflop warring is going on at midstakes 6Max on the two major sites. You stated that you believe that there might be a truce amongst the mass-tabling regulars and/or a trend toward less aggro 3b/4b/5b dynamics than a couple of years ago.

Given an operative assumption that PTR is utilised by most regulars,rightly or wrongly, in these games.

How much of your observation is biased by the fact that you are VickisGod - and that how much they playback at you might be very different to the history they have built with each other?
Also - How would the above - differ from say a 1-2 regular taking shots at 2-4 for the first time and how the regulars might approach that player with regards to 3b/4b/5b?
Put another way - when taking a shot. What should the intial approach be to assessing regulars 3bet/4bet ranges? And what sort of evidence or quantum of evidence is needed?

Posted over 2 years ago

Sounded Simple

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Quick question on your donking range in limped pots, I generally donk everything where I have either pot or fold equity. I do have a CR range, but it's usually monsters or monster draws but I have not given too much thought to when it might be better to c/c.

What sort of hands/situations are you guys c/c in limped pots?

Posted over 2 years ago

Bruut99

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I do think you are a bit off with the comments about 4bet bluffing at midstakes. Its probably sample size.

It feels like you are a bit underestimating midstakes in 2010. Also i kind of get the feeling of 'see how cool i am to 3bet every hand'. Its not 2007 anymore where you can run over tables so easy. The influence of the amount of tables people play to their game is also overrated. You obv have an edge when playing less tables but i should not be overrated. With the software/hardware these days its very easy to play 8-12 tables at least at pokerstars without any negative side effects on your game.

Anyways good video ! Love to see more.

Posted over 2 years ago

Hielko

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Quick question on your donking range in limped pots, I generally donk everything where I have either pot or fold equity. I do have a CR range, but it's usually monsters or monster draws but I have not given too much thought to when it might be better to c/c.

What sort of hands/situations are you guys c/c in limped pots?


Marginal hands with showdown value (TPNK, 2nd pair) that don't have a lot of valuebetting potential, and preferably against a villain that will bet a lot when you check.

Posted over 2 years ago

Hielko

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I do think you are a bit off with the comments about 4bet bluffing at midstakes. Its probably sample size.


Totally agree. Just for fun I ran some HM filters, and on average 1 out of 3 4bets is a bluff vs me this year. And that is the average in all positions and vs all vilains.

Posted over 2 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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FWF - RE: Your comments regarding how much Preflop warring is going on at midstakes 6Max on the two major sites. You stated that you believe that there might be a truce amongst the mass-tabling regulars and/or a trend toward less aggro 3b/4b/5b dynamics than a couple of years ago.

Given an operative assumption that PTR is utilised by most regulars,rightly or wrongly, in these games.

How much of your observation is biased by the fact that you are VickisGod - and that how much they playback at you might be very different to the history they have built with each other?
Also - How would the above - differ from say a 1-2 regular taking shots at 2-4 for the first time and how the regulars might approach that player with regards to 3b/4b/5b?
Put another way - when taking a shot. What should the intial approach be to assessing regulars 3bet/4bet ranges? And what sort of evidence or quantum of evidence is needed?



Well I'm speaking mostly from my experience coaching so it's got very little to do with my screen name. But I'm sure as hell that every one of my students who plays against someone that they recognize as normally playing smaller stakes picks on those people, so yeah it is important to be mindful of that when taking shots

Posted over 2 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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I do think you are a bit off with the comments about 4bet bluffing at midstakes. Its probably sample size.

It feels like you are a bit underestimating midstakes in 2010. Also i kind of get the feeling of 'see how cool i am to 3bet every hand'. Its not 2007 anymore where you can run over tables so easy. The influence of the amount of tables people play to their game is also overrated. You obv have an edge when playing less tables but i should not be overrated. With the software/hardware these days its very easy to play 8-12 tables at least at pokerstars without any negative side effects on your game.

Anyways good video ! Love to see more.



Meh, I don't mean to imply that you can 3bet as much as I was doing and consistently get away with it. For the most part I think my 3bet stats were just distorted by small sample size and I think we're all well past the days when "Look at me I 3bet light!" was considered impressive

With that said, between your claim and Hielko's post above I'll take your guys' word for it. Maybe I'm just comparing to 25/50 and higher which is crazier that my sense of what counts as aggro is skewed. I certainly didn't mean to imply that midstakes players just all fold to every 3bet

Posted over 2 years ago

FoxwoodsFiend

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I also think I should clarify upfront that I thought this was one of my weaker videos (if not THE weakest video) of my career. I'd been having trouble sleeping for days and really wasn't happy with it but was running up against a deadline. I think I played pretty poorly in a few spots and would love to have a discussion of some of them, but this isn't a typical video where you should say "well I guess he's right, I just don't understand..." I played poorly and apologize in advance

Posted over 2 years ago

Sounded Simple

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I also think I should clarify upfront that I thought this was one of my weaker videos (if not THE weakest video) of my career. I'd been having trouble sleeping for days and really wasn't happy with it but was running up against a deadline. I think I played pretty poorly in a few spots and would love to have a discussion of some of them, but this isn't a typical video where you should say "well I guess he's right, I just don't understand..." I played poorly and apologize in advance



Hmmm, I have ~2 pages of notes on this vid and looking through I don't see anything that wasn't backed up by solid logical explanation (obvious caveat that I'm not qualified to "oversee" what you said, but the reasons given at every point make sense to me).

I'm just comparing to 25/50 and higher which is crazier that my sense of what counts as aggro is skewed.



Probably this is the only thing I've noticed if I were to nit pick, it's easy to project gameflow reads from your usual games onto students games. But Heilko keeps a steady ship in this regard.

Totally agree. Just for fun I ran some HM filters, and on average 1 out of 3 4bets is a bluff vs me this year. And that is the average in all positions and vs all vilains



Same here over small sample, I think it is a little less crazy than what it used to be. I think people are mose used to it so don't over-react as much as they used to. Certainly there was a phase back 2 years ago where people were 5bet jamming SCs & PP all over the place if you 4bet them twice in a sess.

Posted over 2 years ago

DAKKE13

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Can you please explain exactly why you rather 4bet shove 77/88 instead of AJ in that blind vs blind spot.

Posted over 2 years ago

nemeelucas

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next time you get a prop bet from fwf you should raise for value

Posted over 2 years ago

dukemuckem

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Can you please explain exactly why you rather 4bet shove 77/88 instead of AJ in that blind vs blind spot.



stove can easily answer Wink

Hand 0: 34.280% { 6d6h }
Hand 1: 65.720% { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }

vs
Hand 0 31.124% { AhJd }
Hand 1: 68.876% { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }

if villains range is 99+, AQs+,AQo+, the difference is way more significant (29%vs35%)

Posted over 2 years ago




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