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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by BalugaWhale (Mid Stakes)

this could probably be summed up as "when your equity is worse than your opponents', nothing seems like its a good play"

but checking flop is much closer to "giving up" than checking to induce.

also a lot of things that you seem to think are auto-flop bets (big draws, weak aces, etc) probably aren't either.



Andrew

Ok, I guess that'll have to do. I just don't really feel comfortable with that as I'm experiencing a cognitive disonanse Thats because I've read your book not so long ago and your stand on this matter was completely different and you explained it there pretty throughoutly and convincing, at least for me- as you can see I'm still fighing for your old beliefs

Ok, I guess that'll have to do. I just don't really feel comfortable with that as I'm experiencing a cognitive disonanse Thats because I've read your book not so long ago and your stand on this matter was completely different and you explained it there pretty throughoutly and convincing, at least for me- as you can see I'm still fighing for your old beliefs

to clarify how the two work together--

cbetting 99 on a K73 flop is v different than a AJ4 flop.

Holla

Andrew

Yeah, obviously. I wasn't referring to any specific example. More to the whole "Great debate" chapter, if I recall correctly.

You advised there to cbet everything unless you're just giving up, as I recall.

Anyway, looking forward to your next vid

thanks for replying, andrew.

at the time i posted that reply i didn't have the time to pick out specific examples. there is one hand where i was curious about your betsizing and rather disappointed that you didn't elaborate.

the hand is at 33:10, K5o against SilentAssassin3 where you turn 2 pair. you pot the river (102 into 105) when the flush gets there. it would seem that a lot of your turn barreling range consists of spade draws, and you can obviously have a lot of combos of spades when you raise the button, along with countless 2 pairs, straights, and some sets. i mean, you raised the button, so you have like all combos of 2 pairs.

when you pot that river, isn't it difficult for him to call with a K, which is presumably a big part of his range? were you trying to level him with your sizing and look super polarized?

i mean, not to be results oriented, but he tank-folded, so i think he folded a K... which is a really bad result for you of course.

thanks again, and i do really enjoy the videos.

not trying to be rude but i thought it was a good question if i can say so myself

not trying to be rude but i thought it was a good question if i can say so myself

missed this!

can't say for certain he tank-folded a K. basically, he's bluff catching no matter what, there, and the T of spades is pretty rough for me to get value because he can no longer imagine a lot of worse value hands going for thin value if he has a hand like KQ. So, at this point, im either bluffing or I'm not, regardless, and that's a good time to raise your bet size imo.

Andrew

00:29:06 on 12/03/10: QJo hand you decide to 4bet oop to 3x. is this standard 4bet sizing for u here vs competent reg when oop?
Im assuming u would raise value hands the same amount in this spot for balance?
I thought that generally it is better to 4bet closer to 2.2-2.5x with your whole 4bet range?
are you concerned that villain may flat your 4bet some % of time if u make it smaller here?

ps, i wanna have your baby, unfortunately im male.

Yeah, obviously. I wasn't referring to any specific example. More to the whole "Great debate" chapter, if I recall correctly.

You advised there to cbet everything unless you're just giving up, as I recall.

Anyway, looking forward to your next vid

In reply to your first post.
The "future" spots are expensive to realize. Checking in this instance on this flop given these dynamics is immediately profitable. 99 is vbetting against itself here specifically, if you want to run a 3 street+ bluff you're not getting enough hands to fold and you have bad equity to improve.

In reply to this conversation:
I don't think BW's stance is being inconsistent b/w his book and this spot. I think the point of the discussion in the book is to be more fluid given cards/position/opponents/ etc etc. Same line of thought imo.

Betting is good when betting is good, checking is good when checking is good.

=)

not trying to be rude but i thought it was a good question if i can say so myself

I'm assuming both players have enough respect for eachother's game to know that their value and bluff ranges are wide in this spot. River's a really good card bvb for bluffing and vbetting. A total brick on the river makes it really obv that BW's betting the river for value, the spade is a lot better if SA3 has a bluff catcher. Also I don't think SA3 folded a king.

I think they both know ranges are merged here and hence the big bet.
=)

perhaps true

i think you're underestimating AK's equity vs a polarized range though

Andrew

AK crushes a 3b, it does not crush most 5b shoves. I think it's counter-intuitive to pick up the dead money with a 4b when you hold ak even if villain's 3b is depolarized. The best thing about 4betting ak isn't to pick up the dead $ imo, it's when people shove a5 or aq.

Also like BW said, picking up that cb and possible multi barrel on k84 etc is huge.

In reply to your first post.
The "future" spots are expensive to realize. Checking in this instance on this flop given these dynamics is immediately profitable. 99 is vbetting against itself here specifically, if you want to run a 3 street+ bluff you're not getting enough hands to fold and you have bad equity to improve.

=)

I disagree here that 3 barrelling is unprofitable. And had to do some pokerstove to prove my point. UTG standard open range is somewhere about AT+ AA-22, KQ, KJs - thats already 12% and if I'm reading that guy's stats correclty he has 14pfr, so even this range is prolly too loose for his UTG open. 4.5% of his range is pure 3barrel value hands (AQ+) - thats over 1/3 of his entire opening range. All turn and river blanks help slightly his range, not ours so his value range can even increase by spiking a random set. Considering you can't just assume w/o strong reads he never ever checks behind this flop, do you really consider calling a 3 barrel w/AT profitable here?

AK crushes a 3b, it does not crush most 5b shoves. I think it's counter-intuitive to pick up the dead money with a 4b when you hold ak even if villain's 3b is depolarized. The best thing about 4betting ak isn't to pick up the dead $ imo, it's when people shove a5 or aq.

Also like BW said, picking up that cb and possible multi barrel on k84 etc is huge.

Also, I like this change in gameplan from Andrew from the "book times" when he advised to always 4bet or fold OOP, because calling here seems perfectly resonable and is explained pretty well, I just can't get over the Cbet thing somehow

I disagree here that 3 barrelling is unprofitable. And had to do some pokerstove to prove my point. UTG standard open range is somewhere about AT+ AA-22, KQ, KJs - thats already 12% and if I'm reading that guy's stats correclty he has 14pfr, so even this range is prolly too loose for his UTG open. 4.5% of his range is pure 3barrel value hands (AQ+) - thats over 1/3 of his entire opening range. All turn and river blanks help slightly his range, not ours so his value range can even increase by spiking a random set. Considering you can't just assume w/o strong reads he never ever checks behind this flop, do you really consider calling a 3 barrel w/AT profitable here?

It's not so much that I'd consider calling down with a weak or even a strong ace on this flop. The point is that you are spending a lot of $ to bluff off the bottom of a c/c range vs a tight utg open (assuming im not a fish). I don't have AT that often vs utg esp if he's tight.

If I called the flop I'm beating 99 and it's rarely marginal or even a float. You have to bet 3x to fold anything that called you once.

I think you might be confusing the frequency of how often a cbet might work in spots in general vs how often/with what hands you should be doing it with.

Also, it's unprofitable b/c it's expensive. The money that calls you is live money.

Time Link to 00:04:13

Bluff river here ever to fold out AQ and AJ?

Great video, thx alot!

Probably some record in most AA/KK/QQ dealt in a video btw

Hey Baluga,

You mention twice once with AK the other with AQ about flatting vs 3bet comparing with the AK hand in episode 2. But the hand in episode 2 is flatting a 4bet, i dont see it being the same situation at all.