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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by BalugaWhale (Mid Stakes)

if he was floating on the flop, wouldnt he have bet the turn?

Also valid, but I think he probably bets turn with a 9 also. So the question is whether or not he's more likely to check back turn with a 9 or JT/T8/86, and i kinda thought he'd be more likely to bet a 9 and check the other ones than the reverse. That said, he has a Q there too often to c/c i think.

Andrew

Hi Andrew,

Love the video & the rest of your work here at DC .

I've got a question re: flatting w AK preflop vs aggro opponent that we assume is polarised (24:44 mark, dunno how to mark it on the video ).

I understand the concept of flatting with huge equity edges (especially vs polarised ranges) w hands such as AA/KK, but does flatting w AK preflop here without having a good idea of how often he's going to auto-cbet/bluff off postflop run the risk of letting him realise his equity share the times he flops a pair with his suited connectors etc.?

What are your thoughts on how much (or what kind) of a read you want to have on a guy before you think that this is better than 4betting to fold out his equity share & take the dead money down?

Cheers
JP

i mean, no great answer here, other than-- if he's really aggro in general, he's more likely to throw out a poorly timed c-bet, or to put in money with a worse hand in general. Honestly, I imagine most people 4b ranges include a lot of Ax and Kx for blockers, and I envision a lot of this kind of action-- he 4bets, we call AK, flop is A42, we check, he checks w his weak ace. Turn blanks, we bet, he calls, riv is a blank, we ship, and he maybe calls/maybe folds, but either way we got a lot more value than if we flatted.

Just an idea. Playing with theory, yayyy

Andrew

With AK on 993 (example), villan bets $38 with his entire range, we fold; gg.

Calling is a mistake AINEC. Villans will be 4B bluffing a ton versus your perceived wide 3B ranging and there is just too much dead money + He will be calling with worst + our equity vs his value range = SHOVE. If we Ever Fold the best hand on a low board when he CB 1/4 pot, it's a disaster.

You really need to do PokerStove stuff...

Finally, wtf at the check/raise... what are you hoping to accomplish? He is calling with QQ, AQ? If you are called, you are beat. You took the 2nd worst line preflop and worst line post-flop. Whatever....

With AK on 993 (example), villan bets $38 with his entire range, we fold; gg.

Calling is a mistake AINEC. Villans will be 4B bluffing a ton versus your perceived wide 3B ranging and there is just too much dead money + He will be calling with worst + our equity vs his value range = SHOVE. If we Ever Fold the best hand on a low board when he CB 1/4 pot, it's a disaster.

You really need to do PokerStove stuff...

Finally, wtf at the check/raise... what are you hoping to accomplish? He is calling with QQ, AQ? If you are called, you are beat. You took the 2nd worst line preflop and worst line post-flop. Whatever....

1) why on earth would i fold to a cbet if hes betting with his entire range? that was kinda the point of flatting in the first place

2) what worse hands is he 4b calling otb?

3) i suppose you could make a decent argument for c/c flop, i just dont think he ever bluffs on a later street if we do. but actually, now that I think about it, I think probably c/c is a little better than c/r, just because our equity is so secure.

trust me, i'm aware that shipping AK is +EV.

Andrew

With AK on 993 (example), villan bets $38 with his entire range, we fold; gg.

Calling is a mistake AINEC. Villans will be 4B bluffing a ton versus your perceived wide 3B ranging and there is just too much dead money + He will be calling with worst + our equity vs his value range = SHOVE. If we Ever Fold the best hand on a low board when he CB 1/4 pot, it's a disaster.

I'm confused here. A couple of quick questions:
1) If you assume he's Cbetting his entire range on that board why are you folding? You say he's 4Bet bluffing “a ton” so could you put a range together and show the equity AK has on 993.
2) You don't seem to mention what our perceived range is when we flat here. What is our percieved range and how do you think it will affect villains actions on different board textures?
3) If we 5Bet shove you mention that villain is calling with worse. Like what? Could you put together a calling range and the equity AK has.

Once you get these ranges together I'm sure I'll be able to understand your reasoning but without this information I'm sorry but I just don't get your argument. Maybe I'm slow but I need to see this stuff laid out with the ranges and math and assumptions before I can understand. I look forward to seeing it all as I'm eager to learn.

Note:You might want to watch WoT's new series Pokersense. Episode Two talks a bit about posts like yours.

Good Luck.

Finally, wtf at the check/raise... what are you hoping to accomplish? He is calling with QQ, AQ? If you are called, you are beat. You took the 2nd worst line preflop and worst line post-flop. Whatever....

Again, I need to see the range you think he gets here with and what he's doing with each part of that range when facing a flop raise or after a flop call on the turn. I assume you think he going to continue bluff on certain turn cards and never calls with worse on this flop but without a range I can't understand your point.

Good Luck.

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with KQs, would u ever consider raising despite your arguments in order to balance the times we flop a set or 2pair in that spot? or would u c/c a set/2pair on that drawy board?

another great vid, great work

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you folding JTs and 66 to a 3 bet from the blinds. What is your bottom calling range?

I have to agree with everyone on the AK hand, definitely a shove and it isn't close. If he has Ax and we have AK, we have a 12% chance of seeing an ace on the flop, 16% by the turn if we assume you're calling some flop bets. Likewise, we're going to miss the flop 60% (which is if he doesn't have blockers in his range).

I don't think we're getting it in vs AQ type hands here as it's so much better to call pre than 4b in that spot, but I think without position and initiative with a hand that misses the flop 60% of the time. The value of AK pre in a 3b/5b spot is that we capitalize on fold equity which in turn allows our AK to see 5 cards instead of 3.

I think your last video was one of the best I've seen in a while, so don't think I'm trying to be rude or anything, but flatting a 4b 100bbs deep w/AK is just a mistake.

I have to agree with everyone on the AK hand, definitely a shove and it isn't close. If he has Ax and we have AK, we have a 12% chance of seeing an ace on the flop, 16% by the turn if we assume you're calling some flop bets. Likewise, we're going to miss the flop 60% (which is if he doesn't have blockers in his range).

I don't think we're getting it in vs AQ type hands here as it's so much better to call pre than 4b in that spot, but I think without position and initiative with a hand that misses the flop 60% of the time. The value of AK pre in a 3b/5b spot is that we capitalize on fold equity which in turn allows our AK to see 5 cards instead of 3.

I think your last video was one of the best I've seen in a while, so don't think I'm trying to be rude or anything, but flatting a 4b 100bbs deep w/AK is just a mistake.

what does "miss the flop" really mean?

Andrew

you folding JTs and 66 to a 3 bet from the blinds. What is your bottom calling range?

depends who's 3betting me! and how deep

what does "miss the flop" really mean?

Andrew

It's when we don't hit an A or a K. Once again that number didn't include blockers, but if we're including blockers in his range flops like QJx or QTx are not good for us.

depends who's 3betting me! and how deep

Say, 100BB to a reg with a depolarized 3 betting range

It's when we don't hit an A or a K. Once again that number didn't include blockers, but if we're including blockers in his range flops like QJx or QTx are not good for us.

I think that flops like QJx or QTx are pretty good for us if the villain's range is polarised, and pretty meh if it's unpolarised. Sometimes we flop 78T two tone and have to c/f but whatever.

We're still likely to have 24% or so equity vs a bunch of hands that's made a pair (AJ/AQ/KJ etc) though even if he's unpolarised and sometimes we're up against other gutters and straight draws that we have crushed. If he has like 98s or K2s then we can say hooray and either call down or just ship over cbet, depending on how likely we think he's bluffing on future streets.

I don't think it's an auto-call with AK here over shipping but I don't think it's terrible or anything, I think it has a lot of merit especially if we're comfortable postflop.

Say, 100BB to a reg with a depolarized 3 betting range

well, if he's depolarized, i dont really have to play back at him very often. its hard to play loose and still be depolarized