beachbum
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In spots like this with 55 in the SB, I thought I remember Grindcore would often just backraise the BB if he squeezed here. I think he'd do this with almost any pair he flatted here in the first place, unless the BB had a super-tight squeezing range. But I guess in order to balance this strategy, we should start flatting stronger pairs and AQ type hands too.
FWF, this probably doesn't fit in with your overall resteal strategy since you have a high 3bet % here and just 3bet all of these hands to begin with, but what do you think about calling/backraising here? If you don't like it with a 6% squeeze by BB, how high would his squeeze % have to be in order to make it a good play? Also, if you resteal 55, what do you do with 77-99 type hands?
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SNGgrind15
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Prologion
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I just dont understand why ur constantly making so small bets. Like all ur Cbet and barrels are like half pot.
Like in the KK hand where u checked the turn, all I was thinking was how ur small flop Cbet made it impossible to barrel all in on the river.
When i remeber it right, all the 1/2-PS-Cbets were made in 3bet_pots which is b/c of the lower SPR good to do with your whole range in general (in most spots)
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Befeltingu
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VeyronFund
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Dont you think a larger value bet with top pair here on the river would look more like a bluff so youre more likely to get called down thin,and also reduce the risk of being check raised bluffed,a bigger value bet could also be interpreted as stronger reducing the risk of the check raise bluff further,what do you think?
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Hielko
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I mean I am just a microdonkey so take my advice with a grain of salt.
But that KK hand just looks horrible.
For the sake of protecting the weak end of your Sb 3betting range in medium pots - you sacrifice the value of large bets with the strong part of your range. Particularly when villian is not 4betting TT then he actually has alot more 1 pr hands that can actually bluffcatch.
Furthermore - are you really needing to balance on the super- dry boards such as 633 anyway?
So either he does call down alot and you are missing a ton of value or he isnt and a very reasonable alternative is to barrel 2 or 3 sts with your entire range because you believe he cannot call down as much. Thus you can balance by checking thin value cause its he does not call down light and add overcards air with your strong value if you feel you cannot be exploitable on super-dry boards in steal range 3bet pots.
And I remember seeing a video of Balugas - where its ok to be exploitable and have a very narrow value range if you actually have the value range that you represent - because they can still be inelastic to your range anyway and if they arent then you can change in future. ( I hope that accurately reps what he said).
My range here is not very strong, so I can't just barrel all the time and be balanced because of the premium pairs in my range. I have a narrow value range, but I don't actually have that range since I 3bet plenty of other hands that especially on this board do not connect.
And if I think I will get floated a fair amount I think checking the turn with KK is good. He will very often valuecut himself with hands that call against my turn bet, and gives him the opportunity to stab air.
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Hielko
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In spots like this with 55 in the SB, I thought I remember Grindcore would often just backraise the BB if he squeezed here. I think he'd do this with almost any pair he flatted here in the first place, unless the BB had a super-tight squeezing range. But I guess in order to balance this strategy, we should start flatting stronger pairs and AQ type hands too.
FWF, this probably doesn't fit in with your overall resteal strategy since you have a high 3bet % here and just 3bet all of these hands to begin with, but what do you think about calling/backraising here? If you don't like it with a 6% squeeze by BB, how high would his squeeze % have to be in order to make it a good play? Also, if you resteal 55, what do you do with 77-99 type hands?
Think restealing with all those pairs is totally fine, but not against this villain. You probably need a 9% squeeze percentage or something like that.
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Hielko
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Dont you think a larger value bet with top pair here on the river would look more like a bluff so youre more likely to get called down thin,and also reduce the risk of being check raised bluffed,a bigger value bet could also be interpreted as stronger reducing the risk of the check raise bluff further,what do you think?
Don't really think so, unless you bet really big but you will still be vurnerable against a bluff simply because you are basically never strong in this spot. And the bigger the bet, the more you lose when you get bluffed, and the harder it is for villain to bluff catch. It might look a bit more polarizing, but he will get worse pot odds to make the call.
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FoxwoodsFiend
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Hey guys, just wanted everyone to know I'm currently traveling for Thanksgiving and don't have fast enough internet to watch this video and click on time stamps, so I'll be getting to all your questions on Tuesday. My apologies for the delay
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bsidensol
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I think bet/calling here is a mistake. AA no spade is toward the bottom of your value range and you have basically 0% equity vs his value range.
I really don't see why a flush or set is a small portion of his range, and I also don't really see why you expect KxQs to check/shove this turn when he has to figure he's rarely ahead of your calling range. I think most regs are c/cing this turn with KxQs, happy to see a river with what may be the best hand, and if not, likely has outs to improve.
Maybe vs a fish bet/call and hope for the best, but if he's a reg this seems really optimistic.
Bet/folding > Bet/calling
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FoxwoodsFiend
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I would prefer shoving above clicking it back since you should have decent equity a lot vs a calling range, but don't know how FWF sees this. Think shoving AK would be a lot better than AT though for all the times villain has TT-QQ.
Pretty much agree with Hielko here
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FoxwoodsFiend
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Great series so far, really get alot from the foxwoodfiend sweating good regs videos. Got questions on a couple of hands:
A10 facing minreraise on 248 - I feel clicking back these days almost turns our hand face up here, are you really gonna click back sets, 2pairs and overpairs in this spot.
why not? especially given what you say here:
I'd expect to get shoved on alot with air and kinda like clicking back to induce this when I flop big but know villain prob has nothing to pay me off with but a levelling shove.
55 in SB - Will you not be putting yourself in alot of tough spots later on 3betting this as the BTN is so likely to call?
I don't think the button calls as often as you think and would 3bet 55 vs most buttons
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FoxwoodsFiend
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FoxwoodsFiend
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I get the reasoning of flatting here a 4bet, when i assume a high Bluff4betrange in this spot.
B/c I am absolutely not used to it , it seems anyway sick to me.
So,
What hands you would in general be inclined to flat here (instead of folding or jamming)?
KQs, AJs, ATs, KJs, , I guess.
AQ, I guess is a too nice 3bet/5bet-jam-hand in such a spot?
What about AJo, KQo...?
What about balancing in this spot?
And what about your flopplan - I guess, you would C/Jam in a high freq. with any BackdoorEQ and not to play only fit or fold?
You're pretty much right on, but AJ and ATs I would jam (and AQo as well). Sometimes people try owning you with AJ which makes jamming KQ instead of seeing a flop with it somewhat bad
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FoxwoodsFiend
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In spots like this with 55 in the SB, I thought I remember Grindcore would often just backraise the BB if he squeezed here. I think he'd do this with almost any pair he flatted here in the first place, unless the BB had a super-tight squeezing range. But I guess in order to balance this strategy, we should start flatting stronger pairs and AQ type hands too.
FWF, this probably doesn't fit in with your overall resteal strategy since you have a high 3bet % here and just 3bet all of these hands to begin with, but what do you think about calling/backraising here? If you don't like it with a 6% squeeze by BB, how high would his squeeze % have to be in order to make it a good play? Also, if you resteal 55, what do you do with 77-99 type hands?
I love flatting pairs to backjam them (and AJ and AQ as well) against aggro squeezers. I'd say something like 8% or higher squeeze. But the weaker your pair the worse it is to flat to backjam just because it's worse for you to see the flop if your BB doesn't squeeze
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