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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by NoahSD (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:10:02

Hi NoahSD. I really like your videos, so continue with your good work. I want to ask how u determine that u need to be like 250bb deep to flat this 3-bet with J9s? I play at AP where all the tables are 200bb and I am really interested in this topic. Can u give same basic guidelines with what types of hands is good to call 3-bets in position and out of position and with what types of hands is good to 3-bet is position and out of position 200bb+.Just some basics.Thank you in advance.

DakaJ,
Vs. a set I have about 6% equity. Vs. draws, I have about 60% equity. I figure he has about 5 combos of sets (he prob c/cs a set like 15% of the time) and about 12 combos of draws, leaving me with 44.1% equity. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Stove doesn't do discounting very well, so any discounted stove range is going to seem a bit artificial, but here's an example range:

Board: Jd 8c 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.094% 44.09% 00.00% 7421 0.00 { KhJc }
Hand 1: 55.906% 55.91% 00.00% 9409 0.00 { 8d8h, 8d8s, 22, Ac9c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, KcTc, Tc9c, Td9d, 7c6c, 6c5c, 5c4c }

(sorry for the crappy copy + past from stove)

bibi,
My preflop range is fairly tight there, so I actually don't really have many close decisions. If 44 were in my range, I think I'd muck it given how often steve two barrels, but it's close. Obv I'm never folding 99+.

There's actually an argumnet for calling the AQ there. Maybe I'll run some math on it later.

Bryan,
Hey, man. You have to be using the flash player to do the link thing. Go to "My DC" at the top right.

But, yeah.. I definitely like my line there.

First of all, my call is good even if he's always betting any non-9 river. I'm getting like 6.5:1 to one with an additional 2.5 bets behind which I always win on my 3 outer (ignoring the very rare chop), so that fact almost makes it profitable right there. Throw in that I have 3 2's that are pretty much always either good or chopping, three 4's that are often chopping, one 9 (that gets discounted because he often has a 9) that's obv always good, and that he sometimes bets small enough on the river to let me call (for the small chance that he's bluffing or has a smaller 9) and that he sometimes has air and checks back, and I think it's definitely profitable.

As far as calling a smaller bet but not a bigger one. Let's say just to simplify things that regardless of his bet size, he'll have a range of A9/K9s/Q9s/J9/T9/89/79s/69s/59s/44 and two combos of bluffs. That means we're good 26% of the time, so we need a little less than 3:1 to call. So if he bets half pot, I'm calling. With his bet size, I'm folding.

Time Link to 00:37:07

Here's the spot bryan was talking about.

Hi NoahSD. I really like your videos, so continue with your good work. I want to ask how u determine that u need to be like 250bb deep to flat this 3-bet with J9s? I play at AP where all the tables are 200bb and I am really interested in this topic. Can u give same basic guidelines with what types of hands is good to call 3-bets in position and out of position and with what types of hands is good to 3-bet is position and out of position 200bb+.Just some basics.Thank you in advance.

Nothing incredibly fancy here. All I'm doing is taking numbers that I'm more sure of (like how deep I have to be vs. various ranges to call in and out of position for set value) and guessing based on those numbers. So I'm no where near sure of these numbers, but I figure it's better to have a standard than to not have a standard.

Most 2/4 regs are just never shoving 54cc 56cc or T9dd this deep in that spot, and they're also not always defending low suited aces. I really dont think you have more than 30-35% max in that spot when you get it in.

Most 2/4 regs are just never shoving 54cc 56cc or T9dd this deep in that spot, and they're also not always defending low suited aces. I really dont think you have more than 30-35% max in that spot when you get it in.

Yeah.. we just disagree about the range of an unknown 2/4 regular here. I def know regulars who wouldn't have many of those hands in his range. In the games that I regularly play in, people are overcalling pre pretty light and c/ring a lot of draws on the flop. From the little bit I've seen of 2/4 on FTP recently, it looks to be roughly the same, but I could def be wrong.

Time Link to 00:43:14

What do you do if you're in villain's shoes with AK? If it's 100BB stacks then sure obviously you're getting it in. But personally I find it a lot more difficult in his spot since he's OOP and 200BB deep and I would have no idea how to proceed in that situation.

Time Link to 00:39:32

Can we just fold here or is it an obligatory call? I feel like when we get check raised on the turn on a board like that it almost always means the nuts, or at the very least a hand that is better than TT. I'm not in the habit of folding overpairs to a single raise but in that situation I feel like we're beat a vast majority of the time. Plus even if we are a favourite, he almost always has a ton of outs anyways and will barrel a lot of rivers making it impossible to call even if we do have the best hand.

prowler,
I think villain played the AK fine.

In the TT hand, I'd fold if I weren't getting such awesome pot odds. With those awesome pot odds, I'm almost getting correct direct odds to call against two pair. Throw in the fact that he has pair + straight draw sometimes, and I like my call even though I definitely think we're beat a lot.

But, yeah, if he'd raised to a more reasonable amount I would've just folded.

DakaJ,
Vs. a set I have about 6% equity. Vs. draws, I have about 60% equity. I figure he has about 5 combos of sets (he prob c/cs a set like 15% of the time) and about 12 combos of draws, leaving me with 44.1% equity. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Stove doesn't do discounting very well, so any discounted stove range is going to seem a bit artificial, but here's an example range:

Board: Jd 8c 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.094% 44.09% 00.00% 7421 0.00 { KhJc }
Hand 1: 55.906% 55.91% 00.00% 9409 0.00 { 8d8h, 8d8s, 22, Ac9c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, KcTc, Tc9c, Td9d, 7c6c, 6c5c, 5c4c }

(sorry for the crappy copy + past from stove)

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I haven't spent time in these games but I usually see even fairly aggro regs less interested in getting 200BB in on a draw. Is that an incorrect assumption in the full tilt deep games?

Time Link to 00:31:20

I think this is a spot where calling or minraising the short stackers shove are both better options than overshoving. When you flat this raise that is basically 27x, or roughly the size of a 4 bet, you will still get the button to fold everything you want him to fold. Your hand should will still look like a monster since flatting there with AA/KK should not be uncommon. If you overship here you kinda hang your stack out there in the wind and just select out for KK/AA that will call. If the button is observant and sees the short stack in the big blind, I think he can have those hands in his range.

I haven't spent time in these games but I usually see even fairly aggro regs less interested in getting 200BB in on a draw. Is that an incorrect assumption in the full tilt deep games?

I haven't played much in these games either. From what I've seen, people are pretty aggro, but it's def possible that I have a skewed sample or that I don't understand the nuance of how people play in these games yet. So I could def be wrong.

I think this is a spot where calling or minraising the short stackers shove are both better options than overshoving. When you flat this raise that is basically 27x, or roughly the size of a 4 bet, you will still get the button to fold everything you want him to fold. Your hand should will still look like a monster since flatting there with AA/KK should not be uncommon. If you overship here you kinda hang your stack out there in the wind and just select out for KK/AA that will call. If the button is observant and sees the short stack in the big blind, I think he can have those hands in his range.

Are you suggesting calling or minraising and then folding if BU ships? I don't think we can do that, though I think it'd be pretty close.

I think that if we call or if we ship, we get it in vs. roughly the same range. The difference is that if we just call, he actually has a profitable flat with a lot of hands--PPs and suited connectors--because of the fact that it's a dry side pot and therefore we're going to be checking it down almost every time. So that's a negative for calling.

The first thing I said isn't exactly true, either. His shipping range isn't going to be exactly the same as the range that he calls a shove with. He'll probably shove slightly lighter over a call than he would call a shove because he now can imagine some FE sometimes. I doubt he'd be shipping incredibly light like A8s or anything, and he probably almost always 3-bets preflop with AQ/AJ (and I think it's very unlikely that he both flats them the first time AND shoves them now), but calling is going to make him more likely to get it in with stuff like 88-TT.

So, I don't think there's a huge difference between the two because I'm talking about fairly rare events that don't change our equity too too much, but I think calling is worse than shoving for those reasons.

The only difference between minraise and shoving is whatever psychological difference it has for our opponent since we're never minraise/folding and he's never just flatting a minraise. It probably looks stronger, which is probably a good thing in this spot since we'd like to encourage folds from like 88-TT (and, again, I don't think we need to consider AQ much).

Noah do you purposely not have your hud showing your stats?
What's your vpip, PFR, Steal percentage, Fold to 3bet, 3bet etc?
Also why can't I find you on Poker Ratings?

Noah do you purposely not have your hud showing your stats?
What's your vpip, PFR, Steal percentage, Fold to 3bet, 3bet etc?
Also why can't I find you on Poker Ratings?

I just don't show my stats to reduce clutter a bit.

6-handed, I run about 26/21 with 40% ATS, 11% 3-bet, 55% fold to 3-bet.

Here's my PTR for FTP and Stars. My AP name isn't public.