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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by FoxwoodsFiend (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:28:09

Great video, really looking forward to the series.

I'm afraid I don't understand the discussion about the turn bet with the nut flush on table 1. It sounds like you advocate checking the turn so we have a wider value range on the river, which allows us to check back the turn and bluff the river more often.
I don't understand why you wouldn't bet the turn with the nut flush when at the same time you believe it's a bad spot to bluff. At least that's what it sounded like to me.
Thanks a lot

Time Link to 00:11:55

Can you explain why you don't want to 3bet with 50BB stacks? This is right after Hielko folded A4s to a BTN open.

Hielko you fckn lucksack, mbfn to receive coaching from one of the best players in the world!
anyway nice vid!
Patrick HC Amsterdam,

Thanks, GL crushing @ A'dam

You get back to it later on. When folding these low pairs, there really is almost no low flop you are hitting. When opponents catch on your not opening low pocket pairs they can just use agression to make us fold a lot on low flops when we are out of position?

See the reply from Poemmel below, and one thing to add; when we raise UTG our range is pretty strong so we shouldn't be too worried about getting bluffed. We might not have hands like bottom set, but we have overpairs all the time.

Can you explain why you don't want to 3bet with 50BB stacks? This is right after Hielko folded A4s to a BTN open.

With a shorter stacksize you have less fold equity preflop and postflop, and since A2s is going to be a bluffing hand having less fold equity is bad. At the same time we also have less implied odds in case we hit a flush on the flop/turn/river reducing the value of the hand even more.

Great video, really looking forward to the series.

I'm afraid I don't understand the discussion about the turn bet with the nut flush on table 1. It sounds like you advocate checking the turn so we have a wider value range on the river, which allows us to check back the turn and bluff the river more often.
I don't understand why you wouldn't bet the turn with the nut flush when at the same time you believe it's a bad spot to bluff. At least that's what it sounded like to me.
Thanks a lot

I'm not sure if I completely got that spot either.

This is what I thought the thought process behind it is: When we bet there our range is polarized, but since we are not going to be bluffing in that spot very often we should slowplay the nuts some % of the time as well. Does that make sense?

There was corruption in the file and I had to splice it here. Believe it or not they go onto a different topic so as for them leaving off in mid discussion this was not the splicing so much as the video itself. Sorry guys.
-Rusty

Taz,

May I make a suggestion? Just make a quick .jpg saying something like "We're sorry for the abrupt ending of this video, but we have experienced some technical dificulties with the final 15 minutes of the raw footage" and let it run for five seconds just after it cuts out.

To the content: I listened to the video today while I had to do various other things so I couldn't pay close attention, but just listening to FWF talking about poker sounded awesome. There's something in the way he approaches pokerthinking that immediately sparks my own creative thinking about this game. Looking forward to the next episodes.

This is exactely what DC needed, mode MSNL conent from guys like FOF, jk3a, WOT, krantz etc...

was lacking some good quality content lately, aside from Newmani/jk3a series imo

Great first episode! Can´t wait for next monday!!!

Pretty sure I called and villain shows nut flush.

That was probably a fold given how nit he was. What are we beating that a nit is betting the pot with on the river?

Holy moly that accent.
It is like you never spoke English before and just learned English by the book. Pronouncing every word like it is a Dutch word.
(Im Dutch)

Pretty sure I called and villain shows nut flush.

gah

as soon as he made that bet size i barfed a little bit.
would snap with AsKx instead of AxKs.... can't say I'd have actually folded this though, but the bet size makes it ugly



solid video guys. looking forward to the next ones!

I thought the name of this series was Booze Donor. Like you guys were going to drunken kung fu the hell out of midstakes or something. FWF providing the cold beverages. Weird....

After I am ready now with watching the first part, just wanted to say thank you and respect for you both - I am sure this series will be great and just epic

Why fold 22 UTG (table 4)? And again on 15:50 (table 3).

You can hear the explanation later in the video

Time Link to 00:34:34

I don't see how people can watch this video and not comment on this. It is absolute gold.

"miraculous thinking fish"

"what I am gonna do is play fairly tight, and then when someone raises UTG, I am going to utilize the fact they're using a HUD and then I am just gonna pop em, and take down those 3 big blinds."

AHAHAHAHA. epic

Time Link to 00:35:16

I am interested in hearing some more discussion on the flop play with the KK hand. We get donked into on the flop and raise. I am curious as to what our plan is if we get 3 bet? Also, why are we talking about this guy as a fish when all we have is 30/20 over a small sample? My thinking is that the raise is bad for a few reasons. First, if he is not a fish then he will be leading to 3 bet/get it in with a range that includes sets, and high equity draws like NFD or Tx of spades. We obviously don't do well against that range where we are crushed or flipping. Next, if he is bluffing or leading for value with a hand Tx hand we really don't need to discourage that and we can use our position to decide how much money goes in and on which street. Thoughts?

you could also argue the other way around.
if we do have all those small PPs in our range, we can be bluffed and floated way more easy.

the problem with opening 22 is this (at least in my opinion):
we flop an underpair 11 out of 12 times.
with that underpair we have very little equity when called and therefore need a lot of foldequity.
we might have that on the flop sometimes, but we basically have to cbet and then give up if called (or raised ofc), cause we can't barrel with only 2 outs all too often.
for our opponents this is so super easy to adjust by just floating more and just calling one and fold to the turn barrel with a medium strength hand.

and if we flop our set 1/12 times we are still utg raiser and therefore less likely to get much money in vs weaker hands.
and with 22 we can only be set over setted and not ever stack a smaller set, we basically can't cooler anyone (cause many players just play their 2 pairs very cautiously vs utg).

therefore I'd much rather have a hand like KQs to raise utg, where we can flush over flush someone or make a higher straight and were we have sooooo unbelievable more room to show aggression on further streets, which makes us way tougher to play.

don't know if thats true or the whole story, but it makes sense to me

you make some good points here. you are off though with respect to the likelihood of flopping a set. Not 12:1.

http://www.suntzupoker.com/poker-odds.aspx

I don't see how people can watch this video and not comment on this. It is absolute gold.

"miraculous thinking fish"

"what I am gonna do is play fairly tight, and then when someone raises UTG, I am going to utilize the fact they're using a HUD and then I am just gonna pop em, and take down those 3 big blinds."

AHAHAHAHA. epic

lol yeah that was hilarious

you make some good points here. you are off though with respect to the likelihood of flopping a set. Not 12:1.

http://www.suntzupoker.com/poker-odds.aspx

wow it's possible to flop sets that often?

thanks, good to know that!
was really way off there.
don't know where I have that 12:1 from ^^

wow it's possible to flop sets that often?

thanks, good to know that!
was really way off there.
don't know where I have that 12:1 from ^^

Most likely from the fact that it is 12% of the time. 7.5:1

Most likely from the fact that it is 12% of the time. 7.5:1

that might easily be the case

I thought the name of this series was Booze Donor. Like you guys were going to drunken kung fu the hell out of midstakes or something. FWF providing the cold beverages. Weird....

Wonder what Freud would say about that

I am interested in hearing some more discussion on the flop play with the KK hand. We get donked into on the flop and raise. I am curious as to what our plan is if we get 3 bet? Also, why are we talking about this guy as a fish when all we have is 30/20 over a small sample? My thinking is that the raise is bad for a few reasons. First, if he is not a fish then he will be leading to 3 bet/get it in with a range that includes sets, and high equity draws like NFD or Tx of spades. We obviously don't do well against that range where we are crushed or flipping. Next, if he is bluffing or leading for value with a hand Tx hand we really don't need to discourage that and we can use our position to decide how much money goes in and on which street. Thoughts?

He's almost certainly a fish, I don't give people a green color without reason and think raising this against a random fish is totally standard. Against a good regular it's different I think, but both options could be good depending on his donking range and general tendencies. If he's unknown probably calling down is a safe default option.

Very happy to see this series on DC

Hielko and FWF together in one place, crushers, crushing

you make some good points here. you are off though with respect to the likelihood of flopping a set. Not 12:1.

http://www.suntzupoker.com/poker-odds.aspx

From the link you gave:

Odds/probability of flopping a set or better 8.5 to 1
(or 10.5% chance)

Odds/probability of flopping a set 7.5 to 1
(or 11.8% chance)


^^does not compute (i think the probabilities are correct, they just mixed the two up)

wow it's possible to flop sets that often?

thanks, good to know that!
was really way off there.
don't know where I have that 12:1 from ^^

From TubaSteve's or jk3a's (one of them i think) videos where he suggest having 12:1 implied odds just for the times when you dont get whole stacks in when you flop and for the times you flop and loose to bigger set or better...