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Villain is the fish at the table. He plays 48/20 overall. He is aggro fish. Meaning I advice myself to pot control weak pairs and draws behind him, and to play TP a lot harder. When we hit the Q on the river. What exactly is the plan, and why? Are we check raising, check calling, bet calling, bet folding?

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NL Holdem $10(BB) Replayer
SB ($180)
Hero ($2,093)
UTG ($400)
UTG+1 ($400)
CO ($641)
BTN ($1,750)

Dealt to Hero Q 8

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $10, fold, Hero checks

FLOP ($25) 8 7 4

Hero bets $20, BTN raises to $85, Hero calls $65

TURN ($195) 8 7 4 4

Hero checks, BTN bets $195, Hero calls $195

RIVER ($585) 8 7 4 4 Q

[color=red]Hero checks, BTN bets $585, Hero ?

I would of raised this Pre when the fish limped. As played aggro fish + a pair = can't fold ever. I would just call because it's pretty hard for both of you to hit a Q on the river and have him pay you off for his stack.

I would just call because it's pretty hard for both of you to hit a Q on the river and have him pay you off for his stack.

I mean. We often think, others, play, the way, we think. Therefor. We know, between 2 regulars, it is tough to get paid off. But then, with the thinking he has, he makes these moves all the time, so he thinks others, makes them as well. Could that be an argument to try to get value against worse hands, either with a potcomitting min CR or even CR AI?

Doesn't an aggrofish limping set off some alarm bells for you?

Doesn't an aggrofish limping set off some alarm bells for you?

No. Should it?

I don't know, it was an honest question. I feel like aggrofish will try to trap a bit more than one might expect though, I'm not sure.

i mean, its not like he is playing 45/40 he still calls alot pre right? i would play it like you and call the river just because its very hard for him to pay off with worse. Reasoning for this is that i would assume that he is pretty polarized in this spot ( before i have seen him vbet a hand like 99 like this ) therefore u only fold out hands u beat and get called by the "nuts" and occasionaly AQish hands i guess.

U need to pay attention tho cause some of theese aggro fish just fire 2 barrels and only bet big when they have the nuts on the river but u surely cant fold when u dont know that.

/ pontus

I don't know, it was an honest question. I feel like aggrofish will try to trap a bit more than one might expect though, I'm not sure.

48/20 in PF stats. I believe he will be limping a lot of weakish hands PF. Even from BN.

He hit the "pot" button three times, correct? Was this his "normal" tendency when bluffing (i.e. with a flush draw or overcards) in position?

He hit the "pot" button three times, correct? Was this his "normal" tendency when bluffing (i.e. with a flush draw or overcards) in position?

I noticed the same. And the sample size is not big enough to draw any conclusions from it. At this point, less than 100 hands of history, and I have not been through any sessions I played.

He hit the "pot" button three times, correct? Was this his "normal" tendency when bluffing (i.e. with a flush draw or overcards) in position?

I have now been through the hands. He pot bets a wide range, and tends to play TP too hard.

river is between a c/c and c/f.

I'm prob c/cing with the read he's aggro. He's gonna town us some %, but every draw bricked and this Q is a 'scare card' for most of your range that he'll likely bluff with missed clubs, missed OESDs, etc.

I read him going for thin value with TP. So I put him on a weak pair. And I check min raised.

This is not a good spot to be putting a large amount of money in with a medium strength hand and a very small pot on the flop. Folding the flop is probably the right thing to do here.