NoahSD sits down for a more normal session of 200NL. In previous sessions he has set himself a hard task by playing at sub-optimal times but this time the fish are biting.
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Table on the bottom right: You 3Bet ATo blind vs blind and get called. You cbet $25 in a $37 pot on a 332ss board. Why this size? Can’t you get away with $20? Subsequently you get checkraised allin by villain. What do you think of his move, range and whether it is any good.
You comment on people’s avatars. Would you advocate having no avatar (like yourself)? can you elaborate a bit more on this topic?
Thanks!
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you raised the utg limper w/9Ts, standard. All else equall, what would you do if utg opened with a minraise? Still put on med pair or is it a stronger range?
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if you would of hit, lets say 6d and he bets 60% of pot, would you just call? What if he c/r?
Really enjoy this vid!
I like your videos, too, but:
in the vid you said like 2 or more times that you are playing looser on nl200, because you have an edge (for sure you have, that's not the question^^). But: I would more like to see a vid, about how to beat this limit as a "normal" player.
Right now I'm moving up to nl200 and I really enjoy to see, what plays are possible, but I think if I would try them all right now, with the wisdom I have about poker, I would make a lot of spewy plays (exaggerated).
maybe the next time, when you make a nl200 vid, it could be a more, how to say, "straight forward". if not, that's ok, too, but maybe you can think about it
there are some really good jon greenway and jk3a vids for this IMO
CivSTART, I'm not Noah, but my opinion about this is that you shouldn't just take plays or spewyness or looseness out of the vid. You should try to gain by comprehending the thoughts behind the plays. Then, you should try to think on your own. If it's not sure enough, you won't make the plays. So, you actually don't lose, if you're not as good as Noah, if you manage to fold before you make this bluff with an uncertain mind.
+1
the thought process is way more important than the actual plays noah makes. for example, if you 3-bet someone BU/CO with junk, your reasoning shouldn't be "well noah did it a lot in his video", it should be "noah did it a lot in his video BECAUSE his opponent folds to 3-bets and folds to c-bets when he does call" or something like that. gl!
civ,
I don't think I played THAT much looser in this vid than I thought was optimal, and I tried to mention when I was playing a bit looser than I think is good. I was also only looser preflop, not preflop.
Plus, like steve and civstart said, I also explained my thought process in a lot of spots. The goal for you when you watch these vids shouldn't be to learn to imitate my play in the ~300 hands I managed to play during the vid; it should be to learn to imitate the thought processes I discussed while I was playing the hands and in these comments.
Edmuntus,
Stack off villains on table 1. Call 3B in position 88. NoTalentTom stacks off QQ on A-h board vs set. Check-call turn and river (overbet villain).
Interesting hand. Definitely didn't notice it when I made this.
I actually think both players took a reasonable line, here, though a lot definitely depends on history and I have no idea what history they have.
Why should he have 3Bet ATo out of position?
Lots of reasons. 3-betting is better than calling here vs any hand that doesn't 4-bet and isn't JJ+. All other hands whiff the flop the vast majority of the time, as does my hand. So if I 3-bet and fold out a hand that otherwise would've won the pot on the majority of flops, that's great. If I 3-bet and get called by a hand that is now going to fold to lots of c-bets instead of forcing me to fold to a lot of c-bets, that's also great. I also make it much more likely that I stack him if I flop top pair and he flops second pair, which is awesome. I also get to see a turn card more often, though that's a small consideration.
Table on the bottom right: You 3Bet ATo blind vs blind and get called. You cbet $25 in a $37 pot on a 332ss board. Why this size? Can’t you get away with $20? Subsequently you get checkraised allin by villain. What do you think of his move, range and whether it is any good.
I think 20 is small enough that it gets called by two overs a lot, which is pretty terrible for us since it won't be enough of his range to profitably two barrel or to call a river bet on most turn/rivers (if the board totally blanks, I would be checking back turn and calling a river bet), so we end up losing the pot to a lot more hands.
His c/r all in is bad with any two cards. There are probably a lot of people who are way more qualified than me to guess at a random NL200 fish's range here, so I could be way off here, but I would expect to see a lot of flush draws and a lot of mid pairs.
You comment on people’s avatars. Would you advocate having no avatar (like yourself)? can you elaborate a bit more on this topic?
Thanks!
I have no avatar because I think that makes opponents less likely to remember me, or to recognize that I'm at more than one table with them. I doubt it helps much, but I also don't really have much desire to have an avatar anyway. If it'll make you happy, you should probably have an avatar.
I regret bringing up avatar stereotyping in the video because I really have no idea how to describe what I'm doing. Basically, regs tend to have avatars that look better to me, maybe because regulars and I tend to share a lot in common so we often have a similar aesthetic. In general, an avatar that's really poor quality is likely to be a fish. A baby avatar is likely to be a fish. In fact, any non-professional picture of a person is likely to be a fish. Anything that's intentionally funny tends to be a regular. PIctures from TV shows and movies tend to be regulars. etc etc.
Chimeni,
you raised the utg limper w/9Ts, standard. All else equall, what would you do if utg opened with a minraise? Still put on med pair or is it a stronger range?
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking how I'd play if he'd minraised preflop and then check/called the flop? I'd give up on the turn because it's harder for me to rep Ax there and his range is going to include a lot of slowplayed Ax and not many mid pairs--since fish love to bet mid pairs on the flop there.
if you would of hit, lets say 6d and he bets 60% of pot, would you just call? What if he c/r?
Really enjoy this vid!
I wouldn't stop betting and raising until I got it in. Because he limp/called preflop, he has plenty of lower diamonds in his range and not as many Axdd hands as I'd be worried about if he'd taken any other line preflop.
You often say limp/calling doesn't involve Ax hands so much as other hands. I'm not sure whether you mean especially fish or what kind of players but in my opinion limp/calling with Ax hands is definitely fish standard. I mean, I would almost never 2nd barrel or riverbluff a c-betted flop, if there's an A and villain limp/called preflop.
Maybe I just misunderstood you.
I think in general limp/calling ranges tend to be pretty wide, and Ax tends to be discounted in them, so Ax tends to be a small part of limp/calling ranges. It probably varies by stakes and site, and certainly varies by player. If a player is like 50 VPIP and 2 PFR, then obviously he's limp/calling Ax. If he's 30 VPIP and 20 PFR, I wouldn't expect him to limp/call much Ax at all.
Ok, thanks. ![]()
at 31:30 the hand where you have 76ss
my question is you mention you are betting this river if you hadnt picked up some showdown value, but you talk about how you think a lot of decent hands are checking behind this turn so you arent calling a bet if he bets. Does that not swing it to just giving up with 7 high (had you not picked up a pair) since so much of his range that you can fold out that 7 high doesnt beat, is actually betting this turn since its such a great card to barrel, while lots of hands like QQ and Jx and even Kx (since like you mentioned a turn bet looks so strong) are checking back to either pot control or to get value on river that they cant get on turn, and there's an obvious missed draw for them to put you on and even make a hero call with A high sometimes. Does betting the river actually have a positive expectation?
great video, I will def be watching it again!
oh, also wanted to mention, you give off some pretty sick timing tells. Insta checking hands medium strength hands you intend to call with, stuff like that. I imagine it was due to making a video and what not, but figured id throw that out there anyway ![]()
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