curious to watch ...
NoahSD sits down for a more normal session of 200NL. In previous sessions he has set himself a hard task by playing at sub-optimal times but this time the fish are biting.
Ghost the best of DeucesCracked in the shorthanded games they play in today.
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curious to watch ...
this is what we need on Friday, none of that boring hand replayer stuff...
sweet!
Good to see that you recorded one with fish in it, will watch and comment asap ![]()
Isn't cold-calling a 3bet with 88 for set value a little too optimistic? Even though ZeGrim isn't 4betting much, he folds some amount of the time, destroying your implied odds. Even if he does call and the flop is like 443, you often just end up paying off another street to ivoz. How often do you expect to win the pot without a set?
Zyr,
Can you give me a time stamp?
At 12:23, the K4ss hand, I didn't really explain what I wanted to say well.
What I meant to say is that the only hands that I think are slightly reasonable to call with there are like 66+ and big cards. He's probably 3-betting preflop with like AJ+/KJ+ and if he doesn't 3-bet them he'll often 4-bet them or fold them now, so the only big cards he could really have are like QJ/TJ/AT--probably just suited. So that leaves him with very few hands that he'll fold on this flop.
Wow, u fold a lot
Isn't cold-calling a 3bet with 88 for set value a little too optimistic? Even though ZeGrim isn't 4betting much, he folds some amount of the time, destroying your implied odds. Even if he does call and the flop is like 443, you often just end up paying off another street to ivoz. How often do you expect to win the pot without a set?
Please leave a time-stamp or better yet, Watch This Video, and leave a time link!
That will be much easier for the coaches to find the hand and answer your questions, thanks.
At about 26:00, my 3-bet sizing was obv a mistake. I'd normally go like 25 there.. I guess I was just distracted cause I was talking
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urcatisahat,
Pretty rare that I get accused of that. I guess I made a few biggish folds in this video. Got any specific hands where you think my fold was questionable? (Please include time stamp.)
Zyr,
Can you give me a time stamp?
49:00 (sorry, I can't use the web player)
Noassty! I expect to run good because my thought process will be out of control after watching this.
http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/1041-NoahSD-3-200NL?seek=1876
Noah
I'm interested in this line you took with the FD here. I've been thinking about raising the turn more as a bluff recently on boards where villain rarely has > one pair or has a wide bluff range (or both). Obviously this line is particularly good against people with a wide 2 barrel range (less so if they b/c a jack here) and we rep a pretty strong range with our turn c/r. Like you hinted at, most average/good players will play quite well versus a flop raise and we are more likely to own them on later streets.
1 - Do you think we credibly rep enough huge hands here versus a random TAG? (JJ KK KJ are usually 3Betting; often people won't setmine the smallest pairs vs a steal and likely c/r the flop at least some % with sets - obviously all this can change with history)
2 - Do you like a similar line IP? e.g. with a weak FD like in this hand or a float on a dry board that picks up equity (like call KQcc IP on 7h5d2c and shove 5c versus rampant barreller)
Zyr,
TBH, I'm not really sure. My hunch is to say that it's really close. The math is really tricky 3 ways, so I won't even attempt. (Could be a really sweet problem for Poker Razor, though, if you've got some time on your hands.) In the vid, I just called cause it can't be too bad and it's NL200 and I'm making a video
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If Ze comes along, I don't really expect to win unimproved too often at all, but I also think that when a pair of eights is good postflop, I'll get to showdown fairly often. If Ze doesn't come along, I expect to win unimproved something like 30% of the time maybe.
Maleficus,
GL, sir.
g_marshy,
1) On this specific turn, I just think there are very few hands that he's going to bet/call. A lot of his two barrel range will be total air, some will be draws that won't be getting odds unless they know that I have a weak draw almost always, and his value range is fairly thin.
Because of that, I'm not really concerned about what I'm repping because there are a ton of hands that are just autofolds for him no matter what. He might have your thought process and bet/call something fairly marginal like QQ or KT or something, but a lot of those hands are checking back anyway, and even if they bet/call, my c/r is still good as long as he's bluffing that turn fairly often, like he is.
On most other turn cards, I'd expect his barreling range to have less air, but I'd also expect to have more FE vs. his one pair hands because my line would look more credible.
2) Yeah.. I def like this line in position as well.
I do wanna mention, though, that a huge part of why this line is good is because of stack sizes. With deeper stacks, I can't c/shove the turn, which is a big problem because depending on specific stacks, I end up either putting in a lot on the turn when I'm beat or not getting to see the river on the turn when I'm beat. With shorter stacks, my turn c/shove doesn't have much FE.
So, with deeper stacks I'd c/r the flop. With shorter stacks, I'd c/shove the flop if I'm short enough to get away with that (like less than a 1.5x pot shove or so) and just c/c flop and c/f most whiffed turns if I have a sorta in between stack where a c/shove on the flop is too expensive to be profitable but a turn c/shove wouldn't have any FE.
25.54, table 4, 5 handed you squeeze TT vs EP and CO and EP reraise/shoves. I agree completely with how you played the hand but I would be interested to know what you view as the bottom of villain's range in this spot?
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