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Villain is Tomluec on pokerstars
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I have 2 general questions here
1) What is default play in some kinda spots? Must we fold or can we somehow continue? Maybe someone likes c/c line in this spots? (But this makes my range face up and i have no plan on turn play, other then c/folding :confused:
2) If we actually can continue here, then must we call and play some poker later or just ship this on the flop?

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
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6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG UTG ($430)
UTG+1 UTG+1 ($248)
CO CO ($416)
BTN BTN ($612)
SB Fedoskin ($400)
BB BB ($538)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 6 players) Fedoskin is SB Q Q
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN raises to $12, Fedoskin raises to $42, BB folds, BTN calls $30

Flop: 7 K 5 ($88, 2 players)
Fedoskin bets $50, BTN raises to $125, Fedoskin??

i ship here and feel pretty good about it

hell 4b AK preflop most of the time and u block KQ (which hell flat on the flop sometimes)
77 and 55 are only a few combinations and hell flat them a lot too

so hell have a draw pretty often and u have fe as well with a shove
every other option sucks imo

Button versus big blind you can expect him to be more lose towards your 3bets. Also, how much are you 3betting? And is he adjusting to this?

The spot itself is player dependent. I dont think you can get your answer from the HUD. You need to know, how he reacts in different spots. Not a bad spot to XC (check call) flop in my opinion.

However, looking at the HUD. And trying to draw some conclusions of the small sample. 50% in 6 hands he has raised 3bets. This means, I would call the flop. And reevaluate the turn. I will expect him to play straight forward on a flush card for example. So I will check fold those, or bet small 1/3 and then shut down. If on the other hand, it is a blank deuce. You need to know his barrel tendencies. It is a very tough spot to play out of position. And with out any reads, folding can easy be best.

i ship here and feel pretty good about it

hell 4b AK preflop most of the time and u block KQ (which hell flat on the flop sometimes)
77 and 55 are only a few combinations and hell flat them a lot too

so hell have a draw pretty often and u have fe as well with a shove
every other option sucks imo

there are more combos of sets than of draws.

I just fold here unless I know he's the type to take 1 shot at it and shut down. Shipping is terrible because there aren't very many combos of draws and they're mostly flipping with you anyway. Calling sucks because I doubt we're getting the right price to call off our stack. And if he's going to barrel us a lot we're going to be put to that decision and generally folding is going to be best.

there are more combos of sets than of draws.

I just fold here unless I know he's the type to take 1 shot at it and shut down. Shipping is terrible because there aren't very many combos of draws and they're mostly flipping with you anyway. Calling sucks because I doubt we're getting the right price to call off our stack. And if he's going to barrel us a lot we're going to be put to that decision and generally folding is going to be best.

Sounds reasonable, but aren´t we getting "endlessly" exploitable (and this guy seems as sb. we should be concerned about being unexploitable)?

I mean it´s BTN vs. SB, a classic 3bet situation with a weak range and a No.1-board for cbetting - so Villain can expect us to cbet this board close to 100% but actually having hit it quite rarely.

Villain obviously is pretty keen on raising cbets (at least we can assume that tendency due to his stats, even though there´s uncertainty left). Don´t we just let him freerolling us if we fold QQ here? How do we balance that? By 3-betting air or hands like 98?

You said exploitable like it's a bad thing

You said exploitable like it's a bad thing

Mind to elaborate on what you mean by this? What´s wrong with ...

[...](and this guy seems as sb. we should be concerned about being unexploitable)?

Just that being exploitable is a good thing as long as we exploit villain more effectively. You win money by being exploitable not by being unexploitable.

You win money by being exploitable not by being unexploitable.

[ ] Got it.

I´m fully aware of the concept of "don´t care about being exploitable against those who won´t exploit you" but this has a new quality to me.

I thought we were making money roughly by "not doing what Villain wants us to do"? Playing in an exploitable fashion looks like we´re doing exactly that ... and I can´t see how we "exploit Villain more effectively" by folding QQ on this board?

You win money by being exploitable not by being unexploitable.

Doesn't make sense to me. Can you explain, please? If it was "You win money by exploiting not by being unexploitable." then I'm fine with that but the quote above is an unknown territory to me .

You need to be exploitable to exploit your opponents.