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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by OnTheRail15 (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:18:53

Hey Jeremy,

I'd just add to your preflop discussion with the J5s that close preflop decisions always come down to the quality of the players in the blinds for me. Always trying to get into pots with weaker players.

Time Link to 00:53:09

Curious what hands you would value 3 bet here on the turn? KQ+?

Curious what hands you would value 3 bet here on the turn? KQ+?

I think that's about right. I don't think there's much of a point to calling and raising the river with any made hands on the turn since fnupple's range is probably pretty value oriented.

Fantastic vid! I have so much to think about after watching this.

I dont know how to timestamp, so its around the 30 minute mark. I dont really like to raise the flop here. With our capping range beeing so wide that it includes 66, JJ, AJ and obv AA, then we can really only represent A6/J6 and then all our draws? How do we protect our peeling range, beeing draws and one pair of jacks, all gutshots if we decided to not cap those hands preflop? I dont really think it gives away our hand if we just call the flop, we still have a lot of jacks, a lot of Ax thats not good enough to cap, we have all flushdraws, all gutshots, and quite a few 6x hands in our range. If we call the flop it also gives him incentive to fire the turn with all his pairs and gutshots and air putting us on a peel, in any case he will likely fold these on the flop or on the turn if we raise right away. Also, since we have a strong enough hand to raise any turn besides a jack, i think waiting is better. If the turn is a small card, alot of people will still 3bet AK/AQ and we can cap if we want.

Time Link to 00:43:26

Hey Jeremy, on that connected T9x 2tone board where we wait till the turn with our top two... one of the first things that also came to mind for me was the fact that opponents due tend to expand their value range to include things such as 3rd pair and ace high, however, that also made me immediately think that there would be an increased number of turn cards that our opponent could 'get scared' on and check. I feel like a lot of our opponents value range might feel inclined to check on cards such as 8,J,Q,K,A... how much of a concern should that be for us?? Against passive opponents, would it ever make you reconsider your line on the flop and opt for a more exploitable 3 bet?

Fantastic vid! I have so much to think about after watching this.

yea me too... thanks Jeremy... totally cutting into my afternoon masturbation time...

I dont know how to timestamp

just pause the video and click Comment from Timeline

Time Link to 00:38:00

Wow you table/seat select really well here (immediate left of 8sup and 2 to the left of lauren). Heck of a 30 game.

Hey Jeremy, on that connected T9x 2tone board where we wait till the turn with our top two... one of the first things that also came to mind for me was the fact that opponents due tend to expand their value range to include things such as 3rd pair and ace high, however, that also made me immediately think that there would be an increased number of turn cards that our opponent could 'get scared' on and check. I feel like a lot of our opponents value range might feel inclined to check on cards such as 8,J,Q,K,A... how much of a concern should that be for us?? Against passive opponents, would it ever make you reconsider your line on the flop and opt for a more exploitable 3 bet?

Jeremy feel free to expand or correct me if you disagree, but my answer would be that yes, it would affect my strategy a lot if I had that read. But the stuff Jeremy is discussing is primarily focused on playing with a tough, balanced strategy, which is most beneficial against other thinking players. Tougher players are much less likely to get scared by such cards so its less of a consideration. Weaker players are more likely to get scared, but we shouldn't really worry as much about balance against those guys anyway.

I dont know how to timestamp, so its around the 30 minute mark. I dont really like to raise the flop here. With our capping range beeing so wide that it includes 66, JJ, AJ and obv AA, then we can really only represent A6/J6 and then all our draws? How do we protect our peeling range, beeing draws and one pair of jacks, all gutshots if we decided to not cap those hands preflop? I dont really think it gives away our hand if we just call the flop, we still have a lot of jacks, a lot of Ax thats not good enough to cap, we have all flushdraws, all gutshots, and quite a few 6x hands in our range. If we call the flop it also gives him incentive to fire the turn with all his pairs and gutshots and air putting us on a peel, in any case he will likely fold these on the flop or on the turn if we raise right away. Also, since we have a strong enough hand to raise any turn besides a jack, i think waiting is better. If the turn is a small card, alot of people will still 3bet AK/AQ and we can cap if we want.

First of all, I don't know if my capping range would always include those hands. I think in the right circumstance that I'd just call with those hands in this spot fairly often. Also, I think you're analysis of our range is way way too narrow. What about all the Ax hands that we might want to raise the flop with? This is still a relatively wide range spot and I think going into a wa/wb line, is being pretty pessimistic in regards to our villains preflop range.

Secondly, if I'm in villain's shoes, I'll be checking the turn with a pretty wide and balanced range after my opponent calls on this board texture. So I expect a heavy flop raising strategy to be a pretty important part of our overall play on this particular board texture.

Of course if he's just going to fold a large part of his preflop 3betting range, we can exploit that by raising a lot more on the flop.

Hey Jeremy, on that connected T9x 2tone board where we wait till the turn with our top two... one of the first things that also came to mind for me was the fact that opponents due tend to expand their value range to include things such as 3rd pair and ace high, however, that also made me immediately think that there would be an increased number of turn cards that our opponent could 'get scared' on and check. I feel like a lot of our opponents value range might feel inclined to check on cards such as 8,J,Q,K,A... how much of a concern should that be for us?? Against passive opponents, would it ever make you reconsider your line on the flop and opt for a more exploitable 3 bet?

To answer your question simply, the more passive an opponent will be on the turn, the more we should consider 3 betting right away. But tougher players will tend to two barrel this board texture more than they will a higher card board texture, far more than we need them to to wait for the turn here.

So basically what Chris said.

yea me too... thanks Jeremy... totally cutting into my afternoon masturbation time...

Wow. Glad I could help.

First of all, I don't know if my capping range would always include those hands. I think in the right circumstance that I'd just call with those hands in this spot fairly often. Also, I think you're analysis of our range is way way too narrow. What about all the Ax hands that we might want to raise the flop with? This is still a relatively wide range spot and I think going into a wa/wb line, is being pretty pessimistic in regards to our villains preflop range.

Secondly, if I'm in villain's shoes, I'll be checking the turn with a pretty wide and balanced range after my opponent calls on this board texture. So I expect a heavy flop raising strategy to be a pretty important part of our overall play on this particular board texture.

Of course if he's just going to fold a large part of his preflop 3betting range, we can exploit that by raising a lot more on the flop.

Yeah YOU might have quite a balanced turn checking range, but most people do not. This is kind of a peel friendly flop, and are you sure you would want to be raising all of your single pair of aces right away? Im not saying im going into a wa/wb mode, but i might slowplay until the turn alot, with i hope a somewhat balanced range, which includes top pair hands.

I used to love playing fast on the flop, now ive gotten into waiting for the turn alot more, are you telling me i have to go back to the flop again?

Yeah YOU might have quite a balanced turn checking range, but most people do not. This is kind of a peel friendly flop, and are you sure you would want to be raising all of your single pair of aces right away? Im not saying im going into a wa/wb mode, but i might slowplay until the turn alot, with i hope a somewhat balanced range, which includes top pair hands.

I used to love playing fast on the flop, now ive gotten into waiting for the turn alot more, are you telling me i have to go back to the flop again?

I wait for the turn as much or more than anyone, but on this board texture I'll often raise the flop, especially against tougher opponents.

My goal in the series is to teach a style that will combat the strategies used by tough opponents. Sometimes I'll talk about exploitative play against poorer players, but in general I'm going to be assuming my opponents are tough and able to read board textures and betting patterns very well.