NoahSD
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Do you feel the same way about KJ as the caller in 3bet pots? Or is it strictly with the initiative? From what I gather your plan post flop is to typically go with TP when 100BB deep?
Good question.
I don't feel the same way about KJ as the caller in 3-bet pots. People often talk about not 3-betting with hands that are easily dominated, like KJ, but really, KJ is a solid hand to 3-bet because you're rarely getting called by AK, often getting 4-bet by JJ+, and often AJ 4-bets or folds as well, so you don't really have to worry too much about being dominated preflop. That's obviously not at all true when you're calling a 3-bet, so that makes it way worse.
There's also just the fact that a hand like KJ plays like crap without betting impetus. In general, hands that often flop very marginal draws (like two overcards) play way better with betting impetus than without because you get to see the turn when you c-bet and get called, but you obv don't get to see the turn when you fold to a c-bet.
It's a bit too vague to say that I plan on getting it in every time I flop TP in a 3-bet pot. I'm rarely folding, but sometimes I'm checking or just calling a bet or a raise or whatever.. it's not like I'm treating TP like the nuts every time I flop it in a 3-bet pot 100 BBs deep, though I def often am.
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dj_mercury
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Do you really think there is enough worse hands that call here to value bet AJ on the river? Or does it serves also the purpose to let him act more honestly and not own us if we check to him? Would you check back if you are in position, say you are btn/co and he is sb/bb, same actions as in the video, but he checks to you on the river?
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NoahSD
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Do you really think there is enough worse hands that call here to value bet AJ on the river? Or does it serves also the purpose to let him act more honestly and not own us if we check to him? Would you check back if you are in position, say you are btn/co and he is sb/bb, same actions as in the video, but he checks to you on the river?
I didn't have time to count combos on the river, but at the time I thought there were enough worse hands that call to make it a bet.
In hindsight, I still like it. There's really not that much that beats me here since he didn't raise the flop or turn or 3-bet preflop. So two pair besides A7 is very unlikely and only 6 combos of A7, 2 of which are suited. Flushes are heavily discounted because they didn't raise flop or turn--espec since the vast majority of flush draws have a combo draw on the turn. And there are 12 combos of Axs that play this way 100% of the time and then another 36 combos of Axo that often just call preflop and play this way postflop 100% of the time. That's a lot of combos that might call here, compared to maybe 10 combos of two pair, straights, sets (A7 and slowplays) and like 8 combos of flushes (24 combos are possible preflop, but they're heavily discounted on flop and turn).
It's quite close, though.
BU vs. CO I'd c/f river because he has much less offsuit Ax in his preflop range.
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solid vid noah,
In the future i'd be very happy to see more videos just like this one, i like them more than the rewind vids (which are also good). I think this format helps better to develop a total game strategy.
thanks!
- MC
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Hi Noah,
I'm a big fan of your videos as I've stated previously. It was hilarious to log onto DC and see myself in this Ghost vid. Your reads of me are pretty accurate (nitty TAG). I've only recently begun to play 6max NL online (I primarily play mixed games and PLO), so I tend to err on the tight side since I'm relatively inexperienced. I agree that the games were terrible and I'm pretty sure I was mostly in them to try and improve my game.
Keep up the good work!
-Blump
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blumpster
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Btw, that AA hand, I was turning my hand into a bluff on the river, which is pretty insane on the surface. The hand got all mixed up because of my flat call preflop, which was a failed attempt to get a squeeze, most likely from Python on the button (11% squeeze over 2k hands). Instead the bb called and we took the KhTh9s flop three ways. Postflop, the bb lead out and utg and I called. Turn 2c and bb bets very small (40 into 110) and we both called again. River was the Jh and they both check to me. I think it's almost impossible I have the best hand after that river, and I think it's very credible to represent a strong and even nut hand. I think I actually like the river bluff even though the hand kind of got butchered due to preflop. You said yourself that you were surprised the bb would call with the baby straight with 8s7s. I'd be interested to hear what you think about my attempt at a justification, and whether or not you still think it's terrible.
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blumpster
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In hindsight, I still like it. There's really not that much that beats me here since he didn't raise the flop or turn or 3-bet preflop. So two pair besides A7 is very unlikely and only 6 combos of A7, 2 of which are suited. Flushes are heavily discounted because they didn't raise flop or turn--espec since the vast majority of flush draws have a combo draw on the turn. And there are 12 combos of Axs that play this way 100% of the time and then another 36 combos of Axo that often just call preflop and play this way postflop 100% of the time. That's a lot of combos that might call here, compared to maybe 10 combos of two pair, straights, sets (A7 and slowplays) and like 8 combos of flushes (24 combos are possible preflop, but they're heavily discounted on flop and turn).
Good analysis. I had A5cc.
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