Madfish
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Hey Wilt and JK3A,
Love the series. Was wondering if this idea for a series is one you guys like: a hand or two are presented sans hole cards. Hands must have a river bet or implied bet (check raise that did not happen). Viewers have to decide whether the river bet is made for value, bluff, or merge. Forum can discuss. Next week answers and reasons are given and a new hand or two are offered up.
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jk3a
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Hey Wilt and JK3A,
Love the series. Was wondering if this idea for a series is one you guys like: a hand or two are presented sans hole cards. Hands must have a river bet or implied bet (check raise that did not happen). Viewers have to decide whether the river bet is made for value, bluff, or merge. Forum can discuss. Next week answers and reasons are given and a new hand or two are offered up.
very interesting idea, will def keep that in mind
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Prologion
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I like gaycbetting in 4Bet_Pots, but not here.
This is a board where I could imagine to C/F sometimes Air + especially do not give with my air something like AQ almost 5:1 to peel here...
I like gaycbets on boards where I cbet my whole range + Protection is wothless - for instance, Axxr/s, Kxxr/s...
Here I would either bet larger (around 1/2-PS) or C/F, C/Jam depending on my present hand of my overall range in this spot.
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depends who's c/c range we're talking about
What I mean is, he is a solid REG, hence he will have an ides what your botoom of your C/Callrange on the river is, in this spot.
When it is (like you have said) JT or even Trips, so why he should val.bet then AJ?
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jk3a
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What I mean is, he is a solid REG, hence he will have an ides what your botoom of your C/Callrange on the river is, in this spot.
When it is (like you have said) JT or even Trips, so why he should val.bet then AJ?
maybe we misspoke, but what i think we're talking about is that the "bottom" for most people is quite strong especially against that specific BET SIZE.
so if it's thinking reg vs thinking reg you can see how some leveling might get involved and we could hero call QT worse Jx etc because we both know this in theory
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HoloPainen
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Why is it terrible to ship the flop w Tx in this situation? We have a pair in a huge pot and the turn can bring lots of bad cards thus putting ourselves in a difficult situation. For example a K falls on the turn and he ships we would wonder why wouldn't we just shove our pair on the flop.
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jk3a
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Why is it terrible to ship the flop w Tx in this situation? We have a pair in a huge pot and the turn can bring lots of bad cards thus putting ourselves in a difficult situation. For example a K falls on the turn and he ships we would wonder why wouldn't we just shove our pair on the flop.
if we assume we ship to protect here, i would argue that there's not much to protect against. mostly a wa/wb if you have Tx. I just don't agree that "the turn can bring LOTS of bad cards."
this is not to suggest that a number of people won't ship with Tx because they're uncomfortable calling for the few times a "bad" turn does hit and/or they just don't know what to do, and even though shipping could be +ev for the few times we b/f the flop or b/hero call as I did, it's not likely to be better than call/call when there are so few turns we're actually worried about
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HoloPainen
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if we assume we ship to protect here, i would argue that there's not much to protect against. mostly a wa/wb if you have Tx. I just don't agree that "the turn can bring LOTS of bad cards."
this is not to suggest that a number of people won't ship with Tx because they're uncomfortable calling for the few times a "bad" turn does hit and/or they just don't know what to do, and even though shipping could be +ev for the few times we b/f the flop or b/hero call as I did, it's not likely to be better than call/call when there are so few turns we're actually worried about
thanks for the quick answer
btw I love your series, you two guys are the main reason I have a subscr.
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