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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:16:41

I definitely prefer betting overpairs here, because there is still lots of value and I also think it makes the hand easier to play. Although I'm not the top card pairing does make things a little trickier, I like it better than checking and playing a guessing game on the turn/river.

Jared

SB is a 60bb half stacker.

Your BTN 3B range vs CO open.

How is it affected by the 60bb stack?
What hands would you flat which you would otherwise 3bet for value to leave the possibility of 60bb be in the pot?
What hands would you fold that you might 3bet bluff because of the 60bb stack?


Also

If TAG in BB had a 10% or higher squeeze stat - what hands would you 3bet to prevent a squeeze and what hands would you fold rather than flat if there was a good chance of a squeeze?

generally it just polarizes my range. for example, KQ gets called much more often with the shorty there

if BB were squeezer, strategy would prob be the same because polarizing will still leave me with plenty of hands to play vs a squeeze

I definitely prefer betting overpairs here, because there is still lots of value and I also think it makes the hand easier to play. Although I'm not the top card pairing does make things a little trickier, I like it better than checking and playing a guessing game on the turn/river.

yea, betting is generally best

Thanks for the responses Aaron.

One follow up question - with just a bit of context/background.

Clearly 10/20 games are far different from the micro/small stakes games.
Also clearly you have a far better capacity to hand read than I do.

I am interested in developing a c/r game OOP vs steal range - which is not a polarised range of nut draws/ nut made balanced with good air.
So c/raising tp which I saw you develop in your earlier HU series and your explanation of how being thinner and less polarised has a cascading effect throughout your game.
The problem I have is - what I have been finding is that vs less good hand readers and nittier small/micro games - that I end up or maybe just feel like I am value-cutting spew monkey too much and/or I get lost on turn and river.

So the question I have is:
What are the parameters by which I should be guiding myself as to when I should be c/r top pair or not? ( An assumption that it is a reasonable top pair like 9-K)
(A) villian type/ tendencies - like ok sure vs fish but what regulars
(B) How do I know which st to get the 2nd st on turn or river?


Sorry if that is a waaaaaaaaaay too big a question in a vacuum.

Dan

Hey Dan, start off by reading my post responding to surfdoc in this other thread if you haven't: http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/13-Videos/topics/220471-Where-the-Buffalo-Roam-Ep/posts/1854501--quote-Care-to-comment-on

The gist is I don't mold my range around being less polarized just for the heck of it, I mold it around the villain in question. You wouldn't 3bet KQ vs a guy who folds 80% of the time right? You'd rather be polarized vs him because of that information. Same holds true for your checkraising range. Read that link above and post if you have follow up questions.

Time Link to 00:32:43

really disagree with this thin a vbet against a fish without decent history, he simply does not have the capacity to call with worse

really disagree with this thin a vbet against a fish without decent history, he simply does not have the capacity to call with worse

WoT agreed that it might be a bit too thin, but it's a good spot to demonstrate how 6-max regs (myself included) aren't value betting enough. Personally I wouldn't value bet Q7 as well, but I do believe that if you bet like 1/3 pot on the river he will talk himself into a call with 7x because people don't like folding pairs to small bets especially when all the draws missed.

Thanks for the responses, especially WoT for that novel!

I just re-read my post and it sounds really noobish. As you alluded to, I've been around 2p2 and training sites for a long time, so it's not as if hand-reading is a revolutionary concept to me. I actually believe that it's one of the best aspects of my game, but the issue for me is that I tend to be a lot better at doing all of the analyzation after the session than doing it in game. What usually happens is I'll forgot to weight one particular aspect that would have swayed my decision differently.

For example, maybe I try to run a bluff in a spot where I likely would have taken a different line with a strong hand in villain's eyes, or maybe I make a calldown where when you think about it it's really hard for him to have air. Just one simple aspect that due to the distractions of other tables (and I'm no mass multitabler by any means) or the short timebank I forget to consider.

Hopefully that clarifies my position a little bit. I can analyze hands extremely well thanks largely to videos like this and spending so much time on 2p2, it's just that I could use some reminders when I play so that I don't carelessly forgot one particular detail that could make or break the hand. For example, here's a little general checklist of things to think about during a hand that I came up with.

If I'm bluffing:

What hands does he get this far with?
How much of his range can I reasonably fold out?
What is the top of his range?
Is my line congruent with what I'm representing?


If I'm valuebetting thinly:

What is his overall range to get to this spot?
How often does he have a better hand?
How likely is it that I can represent a bluff?

If I'm bluffcatching:

How often does he get here without showdown value?
How many combos of value hands does he have?
What is the worst hand he is valuebetting?
What does my hand look like?
Does his bet sizing tell us anything?

It's just something I can look at when I'm in a hand so that I make sure I consider the more important aspects of the hand. Anything you might want to add to what I have so far?

Yeah I have that problem too - of working out what range I am repping with a line in game.

So putting him on a range is ok - taking the next step can sometimes be a bridge too far on some complex situations on later streets.

Great series and great discussion itt!

The "unbeatable hand" story is the greatest thing ever. I've watched the video twice but I've watched the first 6 minutes like 10 times!!

I like your line with QJ but wats your plan if he 3bets flop?

Fantastic series. Love the format, love the quality of analysis, and you guys are entertaining to listen to as well. Moaaaaaaar!

I like your line with QJ but wats your plan if he 3bets flop?

call and check is probably how i'm playing much of my range that is continuing here, except sometimes shipping strong hands and decent draws and folding the bad draws/semibluffs

whether i'm check/folding or chk/calling has to do with how i think my opponent perceives my range here. vs many it is a c/f but vs some i'm continuing.

Time Link to 00:14:42

Isn`t checking here in Villain`s shoes with TT/JJ on the turn actually good, on average?
I mean, as you said - this is not a turncard where we can expect Villain to continue bluffing -> so we cannot call too light (77,8x, doublefloats...)
So it seems that C/Calling to floatcatch (vs. low FDs, JT, QJ...) has in this spot some merits. What you think?

Isn`t checking here in Villain`s shoes with TT/JJ on the turn actually good, on average?
I mean, as you said - this is not a turncard where we can expect Villain to continue bluffing -> so we cannot call too light (77,8x, doublefloats...)
So it seems that C/Calling to floatcatch (vs. low FDs, JT, QJ...) has in this spot some merits. What you think?

it def has some merit, obv there's some leveling and you could use a different part of your range to c/c, etc..

Time Link to 00:34:51

Seems like a little thin to me (we need >50% vs. his callingrange to make a val.bet better than a CB):
Vs. something like this,
TT-88, 66-55, 22, AdTd, A7s, KdJd, KdTd, K7s, Q7s, JdTd, Jd9d, Jd8d, J7s, Jd6d, Td9d, Td8d, T7s, 97s, 87s, 74s+, A7o, K7o, Q7o, J7o, 97o, 87o,
we only have about 40% EQ.

-> with K7o we already would have 48,5% EQ and A7o would be with 57% EQ already a clear Val.bet

But anyways, all your both`s mentioned thoughts, ideas and views on this in general are very great imo^^