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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Mid Stakes)

Oh sure, Joe. *Now* you coach no-limit! Heh, just kidding.

Nice video, I like the general concept. You guys were sometimes talking over each other, but I'm sure with practice it will be real smooth.

I wanted to discuss the first hand a bit. In particular the flop. Like Hero said, the aggro SB doesn't have to have a hand here, and his bet sizing on the flop certianly looks like he has not much of a hand. It could be some kind of draw, and there are only a few fairly weak draws here, or some kind of marginal made hand -- if it's not cheese. Calling & essentially floating is OK here, but I like raising better. Even though there's a good chance Hero has the best hand here raising is kind of bluffing because we're not going to be able to continue if we get re-raised. But given his likely hand range there's little chance we'll get re-raised here.

Raising is also bluffing in that we can't really represent much of a hand here. But to a certian degree, we don't need to represent much of a hand here because we know that villan's hand is so weak that he won't be able to take too much action. With a hand like a marginal draw or A8o faces with a flop raise and a good-sized turn bet, he will have to let is go. We're not going to get a lot of value from worse hands here so we're not really losing a lot of value by raising, and those times when A8o does fold on the turn, its a coup.

Anyway those are my thoughts, what do you guys think?

Oh sure, Joe. *Now* you coach no-limit! Heh, just kidding.

Hey! My last 4 students out of 5 were NL! (mostly for Tiltless coaching but some in-hand stuff as well!) I feel I am just at that level with NL-Hold'em where I could learn a lot more, and having the coaching experience that I have (200 students in the last 3 years), I had the idea for this series where I "host" a different coach, similar to a late night talk show. Since DC has added the kick-ass NL section, I've starting playing more NL. As I'm not just a founder, I am also a MEMBER of DC! I LOVE our videos, this is purely from a learning poker perspective. I am big on the "Poker Player" profile, where if I can play any game, at any time, no fear, I am finally complete! With DC's help, I'm getting there!

Do you think it can make it as a Series? Like, one week I'm with WiltOnTilt, the next Vanessa, etc, etc.

Nice video, I like the general concept. You guys were sometimes talking over each other, but I'm sure with practice it will be real smooth.

Yes, it was the first one, and I do have some ideas to keep the overlap of voices down. FWIW, I think the overlap is more in the beginning, until we got the format down a bit. I hope I didnt talk too much, but I wanted to keep it moving and keep the discussion flowing. For a first take, I think the video is great. I am glad you like it.

I wanted to discuss the first hand a bit. In particular the flop. Like Hero said, the aggro SB doesn't have to have a hand here, and his bet sizing on the flop certianly looks like he has not much of a hand. It could be some kind of draw, and there are only a few fairly weak draws here, or some kind of marginal made hand -- if it's not cheese. Calling & essentially floating is OK here, but I like raising better. Even though there's a good chance Hero has the best hand here raising is kind of bluffing because we're not going to be able to continue if we get re-raised. But given his likely hand range there's little chance we'll get re-raised here.

Raising is also bluffing in that we can't really represent much of a hand here. But to a certian degree, we don't need to represent much of a hand here because we know that villan's hand is so weak that he won't be able to take too much action. With a hand like a marginal draw or A8o faces with a flop raise and a good-sized turn bet, he will have to let is go. We're not going to get a lot of value from worse hands here so we're not really losing a lot of value by raising, and those times when A8o does fold on the turn, its a coup.

Anyway those are my thoughts, what do you guys think?

I like your analysis on the hand, and since I'm learning here, I will ask you:

He bets 1/2 the pot, $12, what is your raise amount? and what is your line after he calls? What size river bet are we calling (as I assume we are checking the turn, UI, obv.)

I disagree that raising is the best play. On a board like this, we can often profitably call a double barrel and in position I think it is better to just control the pot and induce bluffs rather than try to win it outright.

Also, grunch are you the 2p2er "The Grunch"?

Yes, I am me.

Yes, I am me.

TheGrunch was the limit guy? Now it's just Grunch, the NL guy?

Yes, I am me.

TheGrunch was the limit guy? Now it's just Grunch, the NL guy?

I was originally GrunchCan & back then I played limit. Then sometime after people started grunching everything in sight I changed my name to The Grunch briefly before settling on just Grunch.

Yes, I am me.

TheGrunch was the limit guy? Now it's just Grunch, the NL guy?

I was originally GrunchCan & back then I played limit. Then sometime after people started grunching everything in sight I changed my name to The Grunch briefly before settling on just Grunch.

So what did you thing about the video?

Yes, I am me.

TheGrunch was the limit guy? Now it's just Grunch, the NL guy?

I was originally GrunchCan & back then I played limit. Then sometime after people started grunching everything in sight I changed my name to The Grunch briefly before settling on just Grunch.

Nice. Feels weird to have a 2p2 legend commenting on my video. I mean you have a freaking verb named after you!

I really really enjoyed this video, basically because it was just a general analysis of hands as opposed to working at a single concept (not to say they aren't good!). But basically for a less experienced player I think this addresses pretty well what to be looking at and how absolutely every factor in the hand can change a decision, for instance when you were talking about mck's stack size if it were a full stack, or just a bit bigger. I hope you decide to make more of these videos

cheers.

I though this was a great video and a very good idea for a future series. It allowed for discussion of things like betsizing and other concepts that you just don't get in a live play video. Hope this idea gets an extended run.

Excellent video with lots of interesting topics for debate. I liked the competing thought processes as it gave the viewer a lot to think about. I think more of these collaborative videos should be done in the future. Keep up the good work!

BEST part of this video is the format. It is so much informative with the 3rd man in the mix. Conventional coaching vids have a very bland call/response undertone where the coach assumes the "Dad voice"

"Do you see what you did wrong?"
"uh huh"
"OK let's move on"

With JT in this vid asking Tubasteve what I would say are the "right questions" we get a ton of knowledge from a single hand. The questions often "generalize" the actual topic at hand so that it now not only applies to that particular hand, or the situation, or the student, but everyone's game in some sense.

This, along with the Danzasmack coaching portions of Donk to a Stud are my all time favorite coaching vids for this exact reason.

im not getting sound on the mp4 version. trying to watch it on my ipod and no go on sound

im not getting sound on the mp4 version. trying to watch it on my ipod and no go on sound

The MP4 version isn't for Ipod -- the Ipod version has a M4V file extension. Are you trying to use the right file for your ipod?

Rob