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WiltOnTilt and jk3a continue to analyze hand ranges in some interesting hands, this time at $5/10 NL.
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You guys definately have to make the volume of your voices the same.
You guys definately have to make the volume of your voices the same.
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Waw, Im very surprised you checked that river and in my opinion it makes no sence. I would bet 130, and try to let him level himself into calling 99 JJ QQ (which I think he can cc the flop with if he does it with 99ish.
But to make the big bet he obv. has to see you as an aggressive player - which I think he does. If he has got jacks or queens, the only thing he really has to worry about, isn't that the flush? You would probably bet the turn if you had the 10, cause there isn't a lot of 10's in your range?
EDIT: Didnt see he had queens when I posted..
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Probably jared because he's one of my favorite producers as well.
In the last hand, do you really think UTG should cbet 88 on the flop? I don't understand what he could get value from. I assume 66 always folds on the flop and most of the draws have 50% equity and it might not be easy to get to showdown against those anyway. There are some hands like 78, but isn't it just too likely someone has you beat in a 5way pot?
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In the last hand, do you really think UTG should cbet 88 on the flop? I don't understand what he could get value from. I assume 66 always folds on the flop and most of the draws have 50% equity and it might not be easy to get to showdown against those anyway. There are some hands like 78, but isn't it just too likely someone has you beat in a 5way pot?
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betting 88 is mostly for protection. surely 88 is the best hand often enough to bet. not to mention you could turn it into a bluff later potentially
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I found it kind of surprising you didn't include QQ-AA in his c-c'ing range on the flop. I get the argument that if UTG is going to bet his lower PP's for protection, he should probably bet his overpairs as well, but when it's 5ways, and UTG cbets, his bet just looks so strong, he probably can't expect much worse to call. He probably doesn't cbet air into 4 people, so from his point of view it makes sense to check his entire range (except for lower PP's), and let a late position player take a stab and get a bet that way.
Because even if he cbets AA, and gets a call, it's really hard to know anything about the range that just called your bet, and you're left guessing in a pot twice as big. I'm not saying what he did is correct but I can see where he's coming from. My (perhaps skewed) experience is that when you cbet AA, everybody folds thinking 'eff it, next hand' unless they have a T (T8s,T9s,JTs,QTs,TT,77), or a flush draw, because the cbet just looks like an overpair, and the people calling there with 88, can only call once because they feel their range is faceup anyway as being hands that can only call once anyway so they just give up.
Questions: if you do cbet like 55 or 88, and get a call, do you give up on most turns/rivers (spade/non spade). And how would you play JJ-AA?
I found it kind of surprising you didn't include QQ-AA in his c-c'ing range on the flop. I get the argument that if UTG is going to bet his lower PP's for protection, he should probably bet his overpairs as well, but when it's 5ways, and UTG cbets, his bet just looks so strong, he probably can't expect much worse to call. He probably doesn't cbet air into 4 people, so from his point of view it makes sense to check his entire range (except for lower PP's), and let a late position player take a stab and get a bet that way.
Because even if he cbets AA, and gets a call, it's really hard to know anything about the range that just called your bet, and you're left guessing in a pot twice as big. I'm not saying what he did is correct but I can see where he's coming from. My (perhaps skewed) experience is that when you cbet AA, everybody folds thinking 'eff it, next hand' unless they have a T (T8s,T9s,JTs,QTs,TT,77), or a flush draw, because the cbet just looks like an overpair, and the people calling there with 88, can only call once because they feel their range is faceup anyway as being hands that can only call once anyway so they just give up.
Questions: if you do cbet like 55 or 88, and get a call, do you give up on most turns/rivers (spade/non spade). And how would you play JJ-AA?
I would cbet all those hands. People don't slowplay enough. They let you off the hook too much. Plus should be the best hand quite often and if you check you're not getting to showdown very easily (and have to dodge sooo many cards that will get you bluffed or beaten).
with AA or similar I'd bet the flop and turn and if called vs some I'd bet the river and vs most others I'd c/f depending on which turns and rivers came out and how good I thought my opponent was (might have to c/c river if they turn hands into bluffs, or might value bet river if I think they fastplay too much). Vs most at ssnl and msnl you can simply just bet bet and c/f.
You got to be kidding me, this cant be for real, is it? This nut flush ck back is prolly one of the worst ck back in poker history.
He obviously has AA-88 and will call a bet very often, sure every once in a while you get c/shoved on by a boat but it happens soooooo infrequently compared with the times he calls you.
What's the point of pseudo analyzing ranges for 20 minutes if you come up with a terrible terrible play like this?
The ak flush was obv a bit of a brainfart but other then that i liked the vid, fun to see how you and the fish soulowned eachother
I'm not sure what is best in the 5way hand but it doesnt look that wrong to me to just check your complete range there 5way. Neither does betting your "complete" range looks wrong since the others will play fairly honest..
btw also def get the sound fixed..
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