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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Mid Stakes)

love these hand history reviews. would love to see more of them or even more hands per video. great job Wilt and Jk3a

jk3a, where can I get that particular HUD display? It's really awesome.

Just a question out of interest:
Why you do not play here with a deep Stack here on the deep-antes-table?
Any special reason for it?
Probably b/c everybody is non-deep, except of one REG?
Would be almost too lazy to change in this case always the
Buy-In-&Rebuy-preferencies...

just habit, no reason. if there's someone i want to cover i'll add chips

jk3a, where can I get that particular HUD display? It's really awesome.

should be a link in here

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/23-Ghost/1321-Jk3a_6_25_200NL_Part_2

so on that last hand from WOT, you were betting the turn with the intention of bluffing the river? Trying to get the villan to call your turn bet then fold the river was the original intention when betting the turn? Your actual hand doesn't matter at all when you bet the turn other than the 5 outs?

It's a value bet on the turn given that villain can have a large number of pair + draw combos in his range that are behind AJ. When villain check/calls the turn, his range is basically those pair + draws and showdown hands similar to what he shows up with in this particular hand.

I guess from a literal standpoint, WoT can be value-betting the turn with AJ whereas he can't be with 22, but if the line is always to bet turn, then jam certain rivers if called on the turn, his hand doesn't matter unless villain is somehow capable of bluff-catching with a hand weaker than AJ, which may be true given how polarizing WoT's river shoving range appears.

so on that last hand from WOT, you were betting the turn with the intention of bluffing the river? Trying to get the villan to call your turn bet then fold the river was the original intention when betting the turn? Your actual hand doesn't matter at all when you bet the turn other than the 5 outs?

I have the best hand a ton when he checks that particular turn, because that particular turn gives a lot of his semibluffs a pair. I was value betting the turn because I have the best hand and I can get called by worse and I can protect. I was bluffing the river though. It certainly could be the case that betting the turn with 22 with the intention of shipping the river as a bluff is +EV, it's just a scenario where the turn bet is likely -EV and the river bluff could be very +EV. Given that he called with KQ, doesn't appear to necessarily be so, but the overall play with AJ will be higher EV than with 22 because the turn bet has value.

It's a value bet on the turn given that villain can have a large number of pair + draw combos in his range that are behind AJ. When villain check/calls the turn, his range is basically those pair + draws and showdown hands similar to what he shows up with in this particular hand.

I guess from a literal standpoint, WoT can be value-betting the turn with AJ whereas he can't be with 22, but if the line is always to bet turn, then jam certain rivers if called on the turn, his hand doesn't matter unless villain is somehow capable of bluff-catching with a hand weaker than AJ, which may be true given how polarizing WoT's river shoving range appears.

crackmonkey ftw

one last thing on your last sentence though, my river range is definitely not polarized here. TPTK, overpairs, 2pairs, sets and straights all well within my value range here. It's really tough for me to not have a pair here given the board texture and my flop bet/call. In order to not have a pair here I'd have to be floating with a hand like AK, which is certainly possible, but not super likely given the other hands and given that I wouldn't always cbet.

given that he called though, he certainly must have thought I was polarized... or at least that I am turning hands into bluffs often, which was the case.

Hey Guys. Nice video as always.

I have am interested in the line "good reg" took in the last hand. It seems like there is more room in todays games to play tpgk for value with CRs on the flop. Against another thinking opponent what should he do with KQ on a turn brick? If he bets and gets called should he bet again on the river? How about a turn A? How about if he gets 3 bet on the flop?

Thanks and keep up the good work.

pretty sure wilt has advocated cr tpgk in his HU videos.

Time Link to 00:44:02

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108 games 0.005 secs 21,600 games/sec

Board: Jd 6s Qh 9c 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.667% 38.89% 02.78% 42 3.00 { KdQs }
Hand 1: 58.333% 55.56% 02.78% 60 3.00 { JJ+, 66, ATs+, KTs+, Kd9d, Kh9h, Ks9s, QJs, Q9s, J9s, T9s, Td8d, Th8h, Ts8s, AQo-AJo, KTo+, QJo, Q9o, J9o, T9o }

I weighed AT and AK in WoT`s Range down + also have given him only Gutshots which call he flop-C/R when they have a backdorFD.

B/c Villain need only about 31% E, it would be a call regards to this range.

edit: adding in WoT`s Range Q6s/o and J6s/o, Villain has still about 36,5% EQ.

Hey Guys. Nice video as always.

I have am interested in the line "good reg" took in the last hand. It seems like there is more room in todays games to play tpgk for value with CRs on the flop. Against another thinking opponent what should he do with KQ on a turn brick? If he bets and gets called should he bet again on the river? How about a turn A? How about if he gets 3 bet on the flop?

Thanks and keep up the good work.

my std after c/r is to usually bet turn and decide on river. sometimes vbetting, sometimes c/c, sometimes c/f

crackmonkey ftw

one last thing on your last sentence though, my river range is definitely not polarized here. TPTK, overpairs, 2pairs, sets and straights all well within my value range here. It's really tough for me to not have a pair here given the board texture and my flop bet/call. In order to not have a pair here I'd have to be floating with a hand like AK, which is certainly possible, but not super likely given the other hands and given that I wouldn't always cbet.

given that he called though, he certainly must have thought I was polarized... or at least that I am turning hands into bluffs often, which was the case.

Yea I think it would seem polarized to me given that the typical 200NL player is pretty bad at value-betting ( myself included ) and probably wouldn't be shipping less than top 2 pair for value on the river, and almost certainly isn't capable of turning a 2nd pair type hand into a bluff.

Just finally got caught up with the series. Really good discussion between you guys all the way around. I sort of wish you guys disagreed in more spots though, but maybe that's a product of being good friends and always discussing hands all the time. Still makes for excellent material, though.

On to the actual video, a couple comments:

- Did WoT misspeak when he said he would "rarely" c-bet the Q7ss3x flop with air against the fish in the 3bet pot? It's not the best board of all time to continuation bet, but overall it has to be one of the better boards to bet with pure air I would think. Change the 3 to a 6 and I'd agree completely, but this board should miss him a lot.

- Last hand of the video you guys talk about the SB's preflop range and seemed to agree he would usually 3bet with KQ. While in general I agree that's a standard spot to 3bet KQ, I think he at least SHOULD be calling with it a lot to keep the fish in the pot. That's actually an interesting concept that I'd like to see talked about more in general. Obviously it's standard in a lot of spots to call with hands you might normally 3bet to keep a fish in (as well as calling more in general to opens with fish left to act), but at what point do we consider it more profitable to just 3bet for the strength of our hand itself? Assuming an average fish in the blinds that calls a lot of opens but doesn't necessarily cold-call 3bets cold with a huge range, is it particularly sub-optimal to call AQ in the SB to a button open from a good reg compared to 3betting? Does it change much with AK?

It's a topic that gets talked about a fair bit, but it'd be cool if you guys could expand on it a bit more, particularly at the extremes.

I really like this series. Hope you make bunches of videos like this

Just finally got caught up with the series. Really good discussion between you guys all the way around. I sort of wish you guys disagreed in more spots though, but maybe that's a product of being good friends and always discussing hands all the time. Still makes for excellent material, though.

On to the actual video, a couple comments:

- Did WoT misspeak when he said he would "rarely" c-bet the Q7ss3x flop with air against the fish in the 3bet pot? It's not the best board of all time to continuation bet, but overall it has to be one of the better boards to bet with pure air I would think. Change the 3 to a 6 and I'd agree completely, but this board should miss him a lot.

Could you link me to the time stamp? i was having trouble finding it. most likely I misspoke though, seems hard to imagine that I would rarely want to cbet there. Hopefully the rest of the discussion and the other videos would have made that clear.

- Last hand of the video you guys talk about the SB's preflop range and seemed to agree he would usually 3bet with KQ. While in general I agree that's a standard spot to 3bet KQ, I think he at least SHOULD be calling with it a lot to keep the fish in the pot. That's actually an interesting concept that I'd like to see talked about more in general. Obviously it's standard in a lot of spots to call with hands you might normally 3bet to keep a fish in (as well as calling more in general to opens with fish left to act), but at what point do we consider it more profitable to just 3bet for the strength of our hand itself? Assuming an average fish in the blinds that calls a lot of opens but doesn't necessarily cold-call 3bets cold with a huge range, is it particularly sub-optimal to call AQ in the SB to a button open from a good reg compared to 3betting? Does it change much with AK?

It's a topic that gets talked about a fair bit, but it'd be cool if you guys could expand on it a bit more, particularly at the extremes.

I think it's a good/fine adjustment to flat hands as strong as AQ and AK in the scenario of a reg button open, you in the sb, and big fish in the BB. It doesn't mean you have to, and I can't necessarily say for sure it's OPTIMAL to flat those hands instead of 3betting them (it would greatly depend on what sort of 3bet dynamic you have with the button and how much the fish is flatting 3bets)

Playing those hands to keep so many worse hands in for the BB has a lot of value (not just domination factors either), and also should give a lot of deception vs the button. It's especially helpful if you've practiced checkraising 1pair hands for value and you are comfortable playing big pots with 1 pair like that (ideally putting yourself in a scenario where your opponents wouldn't even put a hand like AK in your range, like c/r a K73r where if it goes check, check, reg cbets JJ or similar, you checkraise...if the fish has Kx he's not folding, and if the fish has air and folds, JJ prob isn't folding either, etc.

Like anything, you want to be able to think ahead about how hands will play out, but certainly looking for spots to play more pots with fish is a way underused strategy imo.

Hope that helps, thanks for watching.

WoT