DiggerTheDog
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Jk3a - If you had a mindseye view of villians thought process - could you go through why he bet-sizes the turn the way he does?
If you don't in the video.
Can you discuss the merits of raising air - putting in a small turn bet to shove the river? In this spot vs a regular like Tom.
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jk3a
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Jk3a - If you had a mindseye view of villians thought process - could you go through why he bet-sizes the turn the way he does?
If you don't in the video.
Can you discuss the merits of raising air - putting in a small turn bet to shove the river? In this spot vs a regular like Tom.
prob bets that size because he doesn't want to make a river decision or is confused
tom never folds
not good idea to bet that size on the turn with just about anything
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TecmoSuperBowl
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Hi,
Watched the video and was pretty shocked by your view on his WTSD and W$@SD.
Over my last 65k hands my WTSD is 29.8% and W$SD is 54.4%.
This seems like a bit of a contradiction to what you were saying, logic would say that if I'm going to SD too much then you'd think that my W$@SD would be lower that you'd expect; however the opposite is true, it's higher than you'd expect!!!
Is this just a case of running insanely hot? Do you think that this is a glaring leak, or as a result of the characteristic of my play? I play ~ 24/21.
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jk3a
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Hi,
Watched the video and was pretty shocked by your view on his WTSD and W$@SD.
Over my last 65k hands my WTSD is 29.8% and W$SD is 54.4%.
This seems like a bit of a contradiction to what you were saying, logic would say that if I'm going to SD too much then you'd think that my W$@SD would be lower that you'd expect; however the opposite is true, it's higher than you'd expect!!!
Is this just a case of running insanely hot? Do you think that this is a glaring leak, or as a result of the characteristic of my play? I play ~ 24/21.
what stakes? that w$@sd is very impressive given your wtsd
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blah234
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what stakes? that w$@sd is very impressive given your wtsd
I have similar stats at 200NL over 32k hands my WTSD 28.2%, W$SD 56.2 and W$WSF 50.4. I got this kind of stats by inducing bluffs, taking value bet lines that the villan think is bluffy, and checking down some marginal showdown hands including A high vs villan who will let you get to showdown instead of cbetting.
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TecmoSuperBowl
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I have similar stats at 200NL over 32k hands my WTSD 28.2%, W$SD 56.2 and W$WSF 50.4. I got this kind of stats by inducing bluffs, taking value bet lines that the villan think is bluffy, and checking down some marginal showdown hands including A high vs villan who will let you get to showdown instead of cbetting.
I obv don't know the ins and outs of your game, but I would guess that you are passive on the river and don't valuebet too thinly. If you are checking in spots where you could make a small/thin valuebet with likely the best hand, you will get to showdown more and will win more when you do.
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blah234
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I obv don't know the ins and outs of your game, but I would guess that you are passive on the river and don't valuebet too thinly. If you are checking in spots where you could make a small/thin valuebet with likely the best hand, you will get to showdown more and will win more when you do.
this is probabily true but not always value betting thin on the river protects your checking range. I probabily could value bet more though but always value betting thin is a exploitable leak too.
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TecmoSuperBowl
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this is probabily true but not always value betting thin on the river protects your checking range. I probabily could value bet more though but always value betting thin is a exploitable leak too.
There are def spots where it is too thin to bet. I'm just saying that your style of passivity on the river will inevitably raise your wtsd and w$sd #s. I play an aggressive style where I valubet thinly and my red line is usually in the positive because of it. I would suggest looking for river spots where you find yourself checking the best hand too often and see if there is value in a bet, especially if your red line is going in the wrong direction.
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blah234
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There are def spots where it is too thin to bet. I'm just saying that your style of passivity on the river will inevitably raise your wtsd and w$sd #s. I play an aggressive style where I valubet thinly and my red line is usually in the positive because of it. I would suggest looking for river spots where you find yourself checking the best hand too often and see if there is value in a bet, especially if your red line is going in the wrong direction.
what is your river aggression freqency? I'm around 28 to 30, can't check now from work
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jk3a
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There are def spots where it is too thin to bet. I'm just saying that your style of passivity on the river will inevitably raise your wtsd and w$sd #s. I play an aggressive style where I valubet thinly and my red line is usually in the positive because of it. I would suggest looking for river spots where you find yourself checking the best hand too often and see if there is value in a bet, especially if your red line is going in the wrong direction.
pretty sure your red line is positive mostly because of the calling too much.
not that you're not good at vbetting
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TecmoSuperBowl
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