joethepro
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i really liked the when to give up situations even moreso than when to continue.
in a lot of the hands, you were saying how on the turn, having no read on the player, you'd probably commit your stack if he reraised you. that was after you made a flop raise and turn raise.
what if in those hands you were put to the decision earlier, like on the flop instead, when you've invested a lot less and he's shown aggression early to your usual big flop bets with tptk.
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Jeff W
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In the KK hand, you made an argument that because we'll be committed if we bet $100, we should bet more like $88 so we can fold. For a number of reasons, I don't think this is a good reason to make a smaller bet. First, the EV of making a smaller bet and then making a close fold isn't going to be much better than making a larger bet and then making a close call. Second, we almost always have the best hand here and almost never get raised. It might still be right to bet $88 instead of $100+, just not for that reason.
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Chillee
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sthief09
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In the KK hand, you made an argument that because we'll be committed if we bet $100, we should bet more like $88 so we can fold. For a number of reasons, I don't think this is a good reason to make a smaller bet. First, the EV of making a smaller bet and then making a close fold isn't going to be much better than making a larger bet and then making a close call. Second, we almost always have the best hand here and almost never get raised. It might still be right to bet $88 instead of $100+, just not for that reason.
hey Jeff, thanks for watching. It's really a small difference either way. You say it's a close fold so it's a small boost in EV. I think it's a pretty clear-cut fold when we're raised so saving the last 30 bb vs betting 100 and calling all-in is significant when it comes up. I also think it comes up more than we might think. I figured on the flop we were ahead 90% of the time. By the time we get to the river, that's should be slightly higher since he'll be folding some of those turn calls and it's a very dry board, so he can definitely still have a set.
so it's that vs the extra 6 bb, and I do think he calls for 44 bb a little more often than for 50 bb. maybe not proportionately more, but I definitely do think betting an amount where you can get away from a push has its merits when the fold to a raise is pretty easy.
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sthief09
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sthief09
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i really liked the when to give up situations even moreso than when to continue.
in a lot of the hands, you were saying how on the turn, having no read on the player, you'd probably commit your stack if he reraised you. that was after you made a flop raise and turn raise.
what if in those hands you were put to the decision earlier, like on the flop instead, when you've invested a lot less and he's shown aggression early to your usual big flop bets with tptk.
hmm, I thought I mentioned that in all the hands where I flopped something. which one(s) do you mean specifically?
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